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Subject: Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft
wrathofachilles    12/5/2005 12:30:32 AM
What do you think the most overrated and underrated fighter aircraft are (based on reputation vs. actual performance etc.)? In my opinion, the most overrated fighter of the World War II era was definately the A6M Zero. It performed very well during the first few months of the war, when it was up against badly-flown, obsolete opposition, but once the Americans got better planes and learned not to dogfight it under any circumstances, its success rate rapidly diminsihed. I think the most overrated fighter of modern times is the MiG-29. Sure, it hasn't been used under the best circumstances, as its users usually fight vastly outnumbered, outmanned, and with great equipment shortages, but the Serbs in 1999 had some good pilots and clever tactics and should have been able to make better use of it than they did. I can only conclude that the plane itself is lacking. On the other hand, I feel the MiG-17 is greatly underrated. It was looked down upon by the USAF in Vietnam, but the NVAF used it to great effect, and more than a few North Vietnamese pilots became aces fliying it. Of course, the US made the huge mistake of thinking the gunfighter was obsolete, but the MiG-17 convinced them otherwise. The P-40 in WWII is often referred to as "outclassed," which it definately was even in the early part of the war, but its successful use by the Americans, British, and Austrailians I think shows otherwise. I think with any aircraft the quality of the pilots and tactics makes all the difference. I feel the MiG-25 is both. It's a nightmare to maintain, but I think its speed and climb rate give it big advantages over more modern fighters. The only kill by the Iraqis in the first Gulf War was by a MiG-25, and most of the others escaped to Iran.
 
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Shaken    RE: Meteor in-service date continues to slip.   12/28/2005 2:59:12 PM
Just to pile on... Janes posted an article just this week that Meteor first flight has been pushed back another year. This means that Meteor continues its normal development pace, every year they slip the schedule back another year. I will be honestly be surprised if this catastrophe of a program sees actual service before 2020. -- Shaken - out --
 
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DarthAmerica    RE: Meteor in-service date continues to slip. - Shaken   12/28/2005 3:05:54 PM
>>>I will be honestly be surprised if this catastrophe of a program sees actual service before 2020.<<< ---Meanwhile, F-22/35 and F-Teens will be racking up the kills via DEW, JDAM, AMRAAM oh and of course with cannons.
 
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Shooter    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/28/2005 4:01:53 PM
Shooter's origional post> The types you mention are all well known for their respective results. What is not well known is that the Spitfire was rated as a world beater yet made only 6-7000 highly inflated claims out of the <13,000 total of all RAF planes, "CLAIMS"! yet lost almost as many as it's claims. If the claims are realistic, the ~1.2/1.0 K/L ratio is nothing to be proud of! If the "claims" are over stated as everyone on the planet admits, then it lost more planes than it destroyed! hardly a world beater and war winner is it?< Backup proof of above? See the post below, copied from another thread. In particular, the author notes the problems encountered attempting to gain air superiority over the coast of Europe due to the Spitfire's short range. He states that during the second half of '41, during which the FW190A and Me109G entered service, RAF fighter command claimed kills of 731 Luft fighters for the loss of 411 RAF fighters (nearly all of which would have been Spitfires). Actual German losses for the period wer 103 fighters. Kill to loss ratio: 4 to 1 in favor of the Germans. RAF overclaiming by a factor of 7. You have to love it.
 
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MustangFlyer    RE:Shooter Wrong Thread   12/28/2005 5:12:44 PM
Shooter, we've got a thread going on the Spitfire, this one clearly moving in a different (and quite interesting) direction.
 
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DropBear    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft - aircrafts   12/28/2005 8:50:44 PM
Dr Mahatir of Malaysia no longer rules the roost. Your 'copy' is a tad old.
 
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aircrafts    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft - aircrafts   12/28/2005 9:20:32 PM
u've missed the point there about what they've preferred
 
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DropBear    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft - aircrafts   12/28/2005 9:34:52 PM
No I haven't. The article is old and they have moved forward with alternative decision-making.
 
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Aussiegunnerreturns    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft - aircrafts   12/29/2005 2:09:34 AM
Dropbear, Perhaps you might like to give aircrafts a little lesson in Malaysian politics, so that he can understand how Mahatier's anti-Western xenophobia would have influenced Malaysian procurement?
 
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Aussiegunnerreturns    RE: Meteor in-service date continues to slip.   12/29/2005 2:13:29 AM
Shaken, Did Janes say when the inservice date slipped to? The Eurofighter site has the inservice date at 2010, so I'm interested to know if that is the corrected date or the original. PS, do you know if any of the active Western BVR AAM's have, are planned to have a "lock on jam" capability? Is it possible to easily reprogram a missile to do this?(I note that the hardware requirements, ie, an appropriate antenna, appear to be in place already).
 
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DarthAmerica    RE: Meteor in-service date continues to slip.   12/29/2005 2:35:00 AM
>>>PS, do you know if any of the active Western BVR AAM's have, are planned to have a "lock on jam" capability? Is it possible to easily reprogram a missile to do this?(I note that the hardware requirements, ie, an appropriate antenna, appear to be in place already).<<< ---IIRC AMRAAM does that. I believe its called "Home On Jam" here.
 
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