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Subject: Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft
wrathofachilles    12/5/2005 12:30:32 AM
What do you think the most overrated and underrated fighter aircraft are (based on reputation vs. actual performance etc.)? In my opinion, the most overrated fighter of the World War II era was definately the A6M Zero. It performed very well during the first few months of the war, when it was up against badly-flown, obsolete opposition, but once the Americans got better planes and learned not to dogfight it under any circumstances, its success rate rapidly diminsihed. I think the most overrated fighter of modern times is the MiG-29. Sure, it hasn't been used under the best circumstances, as its users usually fight vastly outnumbered, outmanned, and with great equipment shortages, but the Serbs in 1999 had some good pilots and clever tactics and should have been able to make better use of it than they did. I can only conclude that the plane itself is lacking. On the other hand, I feel the MiG-17 is greatly underrated. It was looked down upon by the USAF in Vietnam, but the NVAF used it to great effect, and more than a few North Vietnamese pilots became aces fliying it. Of course, the US made the huge mistake of thinking the gunfighter was obsolete, but the MiG-17 convinced them otherwise. The P-40 in WWII is often referred to as "outclassed," which it definately was even in the early part of the war, but its successful use by the Americans, British, and Austrailians I think shows otherwise. I think with any aircraft the quality of the pilots and tactics makes all the difference. I feel the MiG-25 is both. It's a nightmare to maintain, but I think its speed and climb rate give it big advantages over more modern fighters. The only kill by the Iraqis in the first Gulf War was by a MiG-25, and most of the others escaped to Iran.
 
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larryjcr    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    1/13/2006 3:50:34 PM
Retruning to the original subject, a few words in defense of the Zero. WathofAchilles stated that: "it performed well ... when it was up against badly-flown, obsolete opposition .." I would point out that in the spring of 1943, after the pilot losses the IJN suffered in the '42 carrier battles and the Guadelcanal campaign, they could still manage a kill to loss ratio of well over 1 to 1 against MkV Spitfires flown by pilots with extensive combat experience in Europe and North Africa. Yes, the Zero had weaknesses that could be exploited if the opposing pilot understood them, but during the first six months of the Pacific War, the Zero made the Japanese advance possible, and no other a/c could have done the same. Compare the problems faced by Mitchell designing the Spitfire and Horikoshi designing the Zero. Both wanted an a/c with speed, climb rate and agility, but the Japanese a/c also had to have extraordinary range and be fully suitable for carrier operations. Moreover, while Mitchell was free to use the most powerful engine available to him, Horikoshi was forced by the IJN requirement to use the Sakae engine rather than the Kinsei engine he would have like to use. The Kinsei was heavier and slightly larger in diameter, but more powerful and with more capacity for developement. Comparing the A6M2 (the first major production model) to the Spitfire MkII (which entered production a few weeks later), the Spit has an advantage of 230hp, and was about 15-20mph faster. It could outdive the Zero (but everything could) while its sustained climb was just about equal. The Zero was much more agile, had a far higher initial climb rate (4500 ft/min vs 2600) and more than twice the range on internal fuel, four times the range if the Zero used external tanks (the MkII had no provision for external fuel). Interestingly, both a/c were very labor-intesive to manufacture due to the need to reduce weight as much as possible, and both suffered the one agility weakness of a roll rate that was, at best, moderate.
 
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DropBear    RE:Most Underrated Fighter Aircraft    1/28/2006 11:25:51 PM
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