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Subject: Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft
wrathofachilles    12/5/2005 12:30:32 AM
What do you think the most overrated and underrated fighter aircraft are (based on reputation vs. actual performance etc.)? In my opinion, the most overrated fighter of the World War II era was definately the A6M Zero. It performed very well during the first few months of the war, when it was up against badly-flown, obsolete opposition, but once the Americans got better planes and learned not to dogfight it under any circumstances, its success rate rapidly diminsihed. I think the most overrated fighter of modern times is the MiG-29. Sure, it hasn't been used under the best circumstances, as its users usually fight vastly outnumbered, outmanned, and with great equipment shortages, but the Serbs in 1999 had some good pilots and clever tactics and should have been able to make better use of it than they did. I can only conclude that the plane itself is lacking. On the other hand, I feel the MiG-17 is greatly underrated. It was looked down upon by the USAF in Vietnam, but the NVAF used it to great effect, and more than a few North Vietnamese pilots became aces fliying it. Of course, the US made the huge mistake of thinking the gunfighter was obsolete, but the MiG-17 convinced them otherwise. The P-40 in WWII is often referred to as "outclassed," which it definately was even in the early part of the war, but its successful use by the Americans, British, and Austrailians I think shows otherwise. I think with any aircraft the quality of the pilots and tactics makes all the difference. I feel the MiG-25 is both. It's a nightmare to maintain, but I think its speed and climb rate give it big advantages over more modern fighters. The only kill by the Iraqis in the first Gulf War was by a MiG-25, and most of the others escaped to Iran.
 
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DropBear    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/5/2005 12:32:54 AM
Overrated - Mirage1110 Underrated - F-101 Voodoo
 
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Thomas3    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/5/2005 8:52:38 PM
Drop Bear: I've hard a lot of complaints from tha Aussies about the Mirage IIIO, what was the problem?? Overrated: I'll have to say the Spitfire: I was one of the best for a very short, albeit decisive, time, but compared to the religious adoration it recieves - well no manmade construction can live up to that. Overrated: That must be the MiG-25: Designed for a mission that disappered before it entered service, Not able to perform coverage of the Soviet boarder. Flying like a bat out of hell without asking why?? The B-70 Valkyrie surely proved its worth: I made the opposite side nerveous and made them expend a lot of effort - in vain.
 
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DropBear    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/5/2005 10:18:26 PM
Too many to list, however, the Atar-9C was an absolute dog. Engine flameouts, compressor stalls etc were legendary. So were the numbers of dead stick landings (the lucky ones). It was known as the Miracle, because if the number of landings equalled the number of takeoffs, it was a miracle. Why we didn't fit the Avon Mk67 instead, I don't know. :(
 
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MadRat    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft -Thomas   12/6/2005 12:58:49 AM
Actually the MiG-25 was largely effective at its job, but like all flagship interceptors with only one mission it was too expensive. Think of the F-106A and F.2 Lightning programmes of their day, the MiG-25 was the Soviet equivalent of them tying a manned airborne missile-launching platform yet targeting was mostly steered (automatically) inline by the GCI controllers. Krushchev demanded missiles to largely replace the airplane and that mentality stunted the Soviet aircraft industry to the point where mainly monolithic and grandiose-planned missions were normal. The MiG-25 was probably more of a response to equalling the U.S. Bomarc (Mach3 interception) and Blackbird (Mach3 reconn) programs than anything to do with the Valkyrie. The Soviets learned lessons enough to build the MiG-31 which not only easily does the old MiG-25P mission but it also trumped the Blackbird, ending manned overflights of the CCCP. The original missile for the MiG-25 may have had the potential to be nuclear armed. The monstrous size of the missile ought to give some clue to its intent. One of the reasons it was so big was because the missile was intended to be launched at Mach3 and it had to have incredible impulse to seperate from the launch aircraft. But what wasn't known until later was the ability to pass control of the missile's commandlink (pre-terminal phase) to other sources than the launch aircraft, which meant the MiG-25 could theoretically throw blind lob shots a hundred miles away if someone else painted the target. The MiG-25's radar and illuminators were hardly up to snuff to take potshots from twenty miles out. The F-106A (with Falcon and Genie) and Lightning (with Firestreak and RedTop) programs both relied mainly on pointblank missiles to kill their victims. The MiG-25 allowed the Soviets to sleep better at night because it did its job better than any equivalent aircraft around the world at the time.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft -Thomas   12/6/2005 9:14:12 AM
I don't think the Mig is over-rated at all, I think it is the most successful of Soviet fighters. I do agree that the Mig29 is vastly over-rated however. I think the Su27/30 series is over-rated. I think they are good aircraft, but the way Chinese posters et al go on about them, you would think them the equal of the F22.
 
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Heorot    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft -Thomas   12/6/2005 3:13:38 PM
Point blank with a Genie? I wouldn't want to be that pilot if it was. Not if I still wanted children. :))
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/6/2005 6:42:23 PM
Overrated: Zero...p-61...p-80....mig-23....yak-28/38(well, several yaks)....super etendard..gloster meteor underrated...douglas a-1(more fb though) av-8b harrier 2 hawker hunter...hawker hurrican(for its time)
 
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Yimmy    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/6/2005 8:31:57 PM
Some very beculiar choices there bunker. I do not think you can say the hawker Hunter was under-rated, it was a very well loved aircraft. I also do not see how you can say the Super Etendard (given its success in the Falklands conflict) or the Gloster Meteor (the first UK successful jet fighter) are over-rated.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Most Overrated and Underrated Fighter Aircraft    12/6/2005 8:44:34 PM
I should have said the first version-the jet fighter that was slower than alot of propeller aircraft. It had little maneuverability and for the limits the me-262 had, most british pilots I have read about rate the me-262 the best. Of the 4 fighter jets that entered service(me-262, he-162, meteor and p-80) at the end of the war(weither a month or 2 yrs), from the accounts I have read, the meteor was dead last....even the new models with better engines...-esp as the vampire entered service..... as far as the etendard...it was slow, had a limmited range and weapons load. If caught by enemy fighters, it would be introuble... They got lucky in the falklands...and I am not sure, but I think it is limmited in what it can carry as far as updated avionics/electronics...If I compared it to another aircraft as a rating in its intended role, I would say, the F-4..up to 1942...it had some success, esp in a sterile environment, but it was obviously an outdated aircraft with limmited potential as far as the hh-believe it or not, I have heard some bad things about it-I mean your right, alot of people loved it, but on the flip, several talked negative about it, so I guess this was me giving it its props....... peace out
 
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Thomas3    MadRat   12/6/2005 9:30:34 PM
Thank You for the corrections. I added to my knowledge, it has been a mysterie to me why the SR-71 stopped. Thank again!
 
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