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Subject: Su-37 vs. F-22
TankFREAK    11/3/2005 5:39:49 PM
Which do you think is better? The F-22 has stealth features (not completely stealth) and the Su-37 has super-maunverability on it's side (front canards+thrust vectoring). No doubt if there was no stealth and it was an actual dog fight, the Su-37 would undoubtly win. But how effective the F-22's stealth is not completely verified. IMO, i would say that the Su-37 'Terminator' is better, as it has supermanuverability (it can perform the world-reknowned kulbit, which is basically doing a somersault within it's own length). If we knew more about how effective the stealth is on the F-22, i might sway my decision, but at least for the time being, i say the Su-37 is better. What's your take on this?
 
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DarthAmerica    The Winner is...   11/3/2005 7:09:37 PM
Drum Roll...
 
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TankFREAK    RE:The Winner is...   11/3/2005 7:23:14 PM
Um, really, i'm serious, either one of the fighters. Not a goodyear blimp.
 
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Yimmy    RE:The Winner is...   11/3/2005 7:59:34 PM
People just get a bit tetchy when people post an "a" vs "b" thread, thats all. All in all, the F22 is far superior. I think it is safe to say the F22 has superior electronics and avonics, far more stealthy, more capable munitions etc. I think possibly the Su37 may have the superior radar, but I wouldn't know.
 
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DarthAmerica    RE:The Winner is...   11/3/2005 8:45:17 PM
>>>I think possibly the Su37 may have the superior radar, but I wouldn't know.<<< ---The radar or more correctly the EW suite on the F-22 is by far more capable and powerful than the set on any SU series. To even compare them is almost blasphamous. In fact the F-22's radar could probably destroy or at least mission kill a SU by itself without using ordinance.
 
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Shooter    RE:The Winner is...   11/3/2005 10:35:08 PM
If you think the Big Su cam out maneuver the svelt -22, you are clearly mistaken. Anyone with a lick of sence and KNOWLEDGE knows that canards and strakes and all the other add ons are just fixes for design defects. In the catagories that really count the F-22 has much more of the good stuff and much less of the bad stuff! no the F-22 can out point the big Su easily! Not to mention the stuff that really matters in combat THE AVIONICS!!!!!
 
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Phaid    RE:The Winner is...   11/3/2005 11:15:14 PM
Yes, clearly the Su-37 is the best airplane on earth, which must explain why the Russians decided not to produce it and instead are proceeding with the PAK-FA, which, although it exists only on paper, has a whole lot more in common with the F-22 than with the Su-37.
 
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hybrid    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 2:24:16 AM
Hey its the best airplane you can get in Ace Combat 4 (bar none the X-02 but thats cheating!!! muahahaha) so it OBVIOUSLY must be the best.
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 6:30:19 AM
yeah, future wars will all be about who performs the best at an airshow. It will be like a break dance fight(how I loath those), except with jet fighters doing tricks and counter tricks along the length of the runway all to sound of 80's house tracks.
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 6:34:25 AM
 
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DropBear    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 7:57:51 AM
And what was that you were saying earlier about engineers? ;)
 
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psyclops    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 9:49:52 AM
The problem with supermaneuverability, TF, is that it's not all it's cracked up to be. Sure, it looks great at air shows and can help you get off a runway in a hurry, but it's no match for a couple of Slammers. Before air-to-air missiles could pull 30g on a regular basis, being able to somersault in your own length looked like a good idea. (Not that that particular maneuver would help much against a missile, but as a measure of agility, it's helpful.) But the days of close-in cannon shots are virtually gone, and if you get yourself in a furball dogfight with another air superiority fighter, something's gone very wrong. Even at close range, I'm doubtful that you'll be able to do much against helmet-mounted cueing systems and the new round of dogfight missiles. Not to say there's no place for good maneuverability anymore, but as the previous posts have wittily made clear, the edge goes to the fighter with superior avionics and standoff kill capability, not superior maneuverability. A fighter (manned, at least) will never be able to outmaneuver a missile salvo.
 
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capt soap    RE:The Winner is...   11/4/2005 10:02:03 AM
The su has slow speed supermaneuverability,and the f/a-22 has 99% of the same slow speed ability,but also has high speed supermaneuverability. The su doesnt have the same high speed abilties.
 
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DarthAmerica    Sudden Death   11/4/2005 10:43:44 AM
Since the F-22 will be very likely to carry a laser DEW(2010+) in addition to its integrated DEW capability. What difference does it make to pull 9G, somersault or any other airshow stunt when the weapon firing at you is moving at light speed and can be fired in a 120+ degree arc! Also since no plane in the world is likely to even know an F-22 is in the air, why would it be manuvering? Should the F-22 decline combat for some reason. How is the SU-37 going to pursue it?
 
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Pseudonym    Even if the F-22 wasn't Stealth   11/4/2005 4:24:58 PM
I'll take the US pilot over anyone flying Russian gear.
 
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TankFREAK    To shooter   11/4/2005 4:58:29 PM
Um, dude the F-22 couldn't outmanuver the Su-37 if its life depended on it. Seriously, the F-22 was designed to be first look, first shot, first kill, not dogfight superiority. The Su-37 is all about manuverability. Plus, the F-22 sux compared the the Su-37 at ALL SPEEDS. Link: link It says right there, as well as on many other sites that the F-22 is clearly not as manuverable as a Su-37. I don't know what anybodies thinking if they say the F-22 can manuver better than the F-22. THe F-22 is designed for stealth, the Su is designed for manuverability, all i'm asking in this post is to balance out manuverability and stealth to give your opinion on which is better.
 
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