"is it worth it" - that is an interesting question.  I wonder if the designers have made these design proposals yet. EF is from what i've researched here the closest to F22 for air superiority...  with a new intake, tail design, fore-planes it would get closer, but the huge new belly may slow it right back down."

 

You are on the right track here.

 

You could redesign the Eurofighter to get rid of its current tail.  You could also give it new intakes, additional RAM and various other upgrades.  The problem is that once you are done with all of that... you will still have an aircraft that while stealthier, is far less stealthy than an F-35. 

 

The only way to come close to an F-35's level of stealth would be to carry all weapons and fuel internally.  That would mean the EF would need to be enlarged quite a bit.

 

By the time you have enlarged a Typhoon to carry weapons and fuel internally... you are going to be dealing with a far larger and heavier aircraft.  Its performance will suffer.  That doesn't mean that they won't try to produce such an aircraft, but there are a lot of trade-offs. 

 

The F-22 and F-35 were designed from the start to carry their fuel and weapons internally and were thus able to be optimized better for that arrangement.

 

 

Who would win.

Well I would hazard a guess at saying the in a 1 on 1 situation the F-22 would almost always come out on top all the time, 98-99% of the time. But instances like 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 2 on 1 etc are all very different.

 

There can be no doubt however that the Typhoon would probably be the F-22 hardest opponent (except another F-22). The F-22 is undoubtedly the most advanced fighter the world has seen since the beginning of the jet age. It has everything going for it speed, agility, advanced avionics, powerful weapon systems and radar, as well as the all important "low observability" (not stealth).

 

However the Euro fighter should not completely be ruled out at any point, it has many main advantages,

The Euro fighter will be equipped with the same radar as the F-22 which is reportedly able to detect and track the signature of an F-22.

The Euro fighter also possesses the super cruise ability

It also has a very low observability rating, and a much reduced heat signature compared to the F-22 (could prove decisive)

It has the fastest rate of climb out of any fighter currently airborne, it can almost reach its max ceiling height of 65,000 feet in a minute as its climb rate is 62,000 feet per minute (this blew me away) the max ceiling height of the F-22 is only 50,000 ft, in a theoretical combat situation the Euro fighter could perform a jump upon a F-22 and immediately gain the upper hand.

The speeds of the two planes are comparable with the F-22 being mach 2.3 and the Euro fighter around mach 2.1

Manoeuvrability is again comparable but the F-22 has the edge with its thrust vectoring capabilities

The euro fighter is also said to have the best defence package on any plane including the F-22 (don?t quote me on that one)

The Typhoon can carry a greater amount of armament at no cost to speed

The euro fighter has better acceleration at low level, better subsonic performance (the F-22s airframe lets it down in subsonic combat). Also its immediate turn rate it superior.

 

Now there have been several rumours backed by various sources of varying reliability including a respected Air force magazine and the BBC world news, have reported that Euro fighter Typhoons have fared amazingly well against USAF F-22.

It was  reported the even at BVR (beyond visual range) which is meant to be the F-22's home ground as it is where it can use is trump card the "first look, first shot, first kill capability" the Euro fighters were able to get missile lock on the pair of F-22s without being detected.

 

Now in terms of overall BVR rating the two aircraft were plotted against Russian aircraft in terms of ability to shoot down the enemy plane before the enemy can react 100% means that every time you fire a missile, that enemy is dead before he can shoot back.

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No offense intended here, but your data is out in many respects...

Quite far out...

 

They're not directly comparable aircraft, and so many of the figures you've cited really are just... frankly... out of date speculation...

 

 

They both have an array of capabilities that are exceptional, but they're not in the same tier of performance even in the exceptionally unlikely event of a sole 1vs1 BVR encounter, not by a long-shot.... The EF is the dominant platform of its generation (4) based on decisions that quite honestly have their origins in the very early 80's, the F22 is not in the same era in terms of design doctrine, it's shifted the goalposts altogether.

 

The EF is most interesting because of sensor fusion and the detection capabilities of captor (outperforming most AESA arrays currently in service in certain modes) that aren't often talked about, but it was never designed to counter a VLO threat, merely (as if merely is an adequate term) capable of dealing with 4th gen soviet aircraft.

 

The EF pushed the envelope forwards in ways that the F22 didn't, mostly involving sensor-fusion and helmet mounted interfaces, the F35 has been directly influenced by both programs, which is parly why it is so interesting.

seriously, can we stop this bloody teenage nonsense of plane vs plane

its a systems event.   

its not von richthoffen, or biggles or bader, its no longer korea and even vietnam.

this dumbing down of a platforms capability to the lowest common denominater of publicly available specs or the latest rant quoting AW or Janes or the Moscow Weekly is getting really really tiresome

enough is enough.

Which I agree with GF, but if you look at this thread, as I'm sure you have, you'll see that is what it has revolved around, the issue of which plane is going to survive in a head-on encounter, this is like asking whether a Tiger or a Bear are a better predator, think of the problems you'd face if you tried to reduce such thinking to an ecounter between the two.

 

But, what WOULD be good, and what I think is lacking sometimes when you tell people this, is that you could suggest realistic modes of employment of the respective systems, and how the operating countries might be likely to employ these with other airborne assets..

 

That's what is interesting, and though I can understand your frustration it might be good to explain why this is the case, give some examples etc... surely that might help people think about these platforms in the correct context...

1 stupid question

 

1 simple answer

 

Some Euro fanboys can't seem to see the difference in the two platforms.  Very simply the EF is the best of the 4th and the F-22 ushers in the 5th.  Both should be viable for quite a while and complement each other well in any coalition warfare where both serve.  The F-22 is ESSENTIAL for how the US fights and EF should serve its customers well.

much of my info came from the Typhoons official website, i was not making a comparrison merely observing the aircrafts strengths, if i were to make a comparrison i would need to look in more detail at the F-22, but the figures i included were from reliable sources not somewhere like wikipedia which is was i think you were trying to infer.
no offence was taken, im always happy to listen

OMG... should I laugh or should I cry ?

Ther's so much that's wrong in JTR's list.

No, EF and F-22 will never have "the same radar". One had CAPTOR, the other has APG-77.

No, the EF doesn't climb at 62000 feet per second all the time. It's a maximum rate of climb. The EF is not an X-Wing. No, it won't "jump" over an F-22.

Most of the rest is just as facepalm-worthy. 

I said 62,000 ft per minute not per second, the euro fighter may also be undergoing a radar upgrade to AESA, and finally the icing on the cake, I did not say that I could physically jump over the F-22 you fool, the euro fighters higher maximum altitude would allow if to "jump" as in surprise or gain the edge over the F-22 from a greater max ceiling.
Are you 10 years old by any chance?, because your grasp of simple terms in the English language leaves much to be desired, I recommend that you practice reading more it may help with any difficulties that you are facing.

Regards