bah, that sentence is suppose to read "that sums up with will happen to the Eurofighter or any other currently deployed fighter...

bah, that sentence is suppose to read "that sums up what will happen to the Eurofighter or any other currently deployed fighter...

bah, that sentence is suppose to read "that sums up what will happen to the Eurofighter or any other currently deployed fighter..."

Now that was an odd error...hmm

I dont know about you, but that pretty much sums up what will happen to the Eurofighter among currently deployed fighters against the F-22:  slaughter.    As an aside, the F-15 pilots never even knew where the F-22 was until it flew directly over their canopy at a distance of a hundred yards or so.  This entire thread is just foolish.

SInce F15 is a fighter with big RCS and not recent avionic couting only on a radar unable to detect F22 in BVR, F15 is blind.And AMRAAM have very good efficiency on such an aircraft.

Eurofighter as rafale are netcentric aircraft with low RCS, IRST, top RWR and ECM.

Contray to those F15, Eurofighter has other means to detect an F22 in BVR and F22 radar range is greatly diminished.

FS...lol do you have any idea about whats being discussed here? F-15 has link-16 just like the Eurofighter. You demonstrate everyday your complete lack of knowledge.

To be netcentric is not to have only a link 16, it is to have a datafusion computer with correct software and an interface for pilot to exploit it.A F22 can detect a F15 at 300 km and turn around it undetected.

Eurofighter has many other features F15 do not have and which are on first importance when dealling with other LO threats , including much lower RCS, end game ESM/ECM, IRST, REAL datafusion etc....F15 is a former generation aircraft even with updates.

You are the ignorant.

      
Someone who truly knows better correct me please if I am wrong, but... In USAF operations a fighter is not going to be going around blasting away with its radar.  That is done by the AWACS since it is further back, has a better coverage and more power for burn through (is it laughable to think a fighter jammer could jam an AWACS)?.  When a fighter is ready to engage it will then use the AWACS to cue its own radar and minimize the emissions period?  And I would also assume this to be true, but perhaps less so, for the F22 than others.  The AWACS coverage and power is the reason again.   So for aircraft with extensive LO capabilities the odds of being detected is diminished, greatly. 

Honestly, some of these threads are very informative and interesting, but some of these posts get quite repetitive.

From my reading of official OSINT this is the way it works more or less. I know that on land we try to practice EMCON or "emissions control" as much as possible to avoid being targeted. I'm sure the USAF does too. Not only that, but unless you are doing barrage jamming then you have to know what the specific characteristics of the radar are to apply more advanced techniques. I know this for a fact and it is my professional opinion and experience. Barrage Jamming will make you very vulnerable to detection long before you could possibly detect others. It also causes fratricide issues.

 

As to the repetitious nature of these threads. Thats almost always due to FS/BW who insist on trolling the site. Other times it's new enthusiast and fanboys who have only superficial understanding but they are quickly educated.

-DA

I'm only educating you Darth as Herald and other fanboys who have put F22 and F35 to the level of God hand.

Indeed as a foreigner not bounded by US laws like a really informed US military specialist could be, I'm free on my comments on US weapons and especially when I can back them by USA governement open sources .

 

First off the F-15 is a very capable air craft. It has a confirmed combat kill ratio  of at least 200:0. It is also an air craft that is more then 20 years old. Taking one out is not a joking matter, seeing as we have never really lost one. The EuroFighter is basically a F-15 on steroids. Call it what ever you want but that’s what it boils down to. The F-22 on the other hand is in a whole new class of war bird. A hybrid of every advanced feature the USAF could put on it. What I find funny is that people in favor of the EuroFighter will try and point our theoretical scenarios that are very unlikely to ever happen. Also they focus on how the EuroFighter might be better then the F-22 in one or two aspects. Mostly I hear about the EuroFighters 9 G-Suit and its maneuverability. The thing is that the F-22 was made in a way that if you beat it in one category, it will beat you in 5 or 6 more. There's a more maneuverable plane the F-22 is faster and more stealthy. There’s a faster plane the F-22 will turn circles around it. Nothing can beat it in every one of its strengths and I would bet that no one but the USA will for at least 20 more years.

FS, F-15's have all of these features and are in the same generation as all the ECD. Every time the F-15 has competed against a ECD the result is the same. F-15 victory. So, either you are right and the entire planet is wrong. Or the F-15 really does have characteristics that make it competitive vs ECD and you are mistaken. FS please try and recover any shred of credibility you may have had and admit you are wrong. Also you don't understand what netcentric is at all.

-DA

No since it has a greatly reduced RCS and also have been designed with integration of new generation jammer.

Sophisticated new generation internal jammer integration need at lot of work on airframe to get full efficiency.

In the new generation plane, radar return main strobe are careully oriented to get differentiated jamming strategy according to these return signal aspects.

You can not change F15 shape.

Actually you are not. I am much better informed than you and lack the ego and agenda you have. No laws bound me from discussing this well understood OSINT information. Well undetstood by everybody to include other nations and our enemies but appearently not by you.

-DA