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Subject: F-22 VS. Eurofighter
mike14    2/15/2005 2:24:35 PM
Who would win.
 
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Herald12345    Do you lie MUCH Sampaix?   7/31/2009 12:20:32 AM
 
quoting you, you lying disgrace;
 
all with the sportive Section. No military or Op drops. Classic Aerazur TAP 65-20 circular canopy. Anything i can tell you about that might interest you?
Only two words of advice, first if you can, ;earn to pack your chute, you'll understand it better, second at the door, don't look under you, look to the horizon line and think that you want to get there... 
 
Well? Why did they bounce you, Sampaix? You wouldn't happen to know the truck driver from the same "expert aviation training" regime?
List of aircraft flown since 1975...

 

MS 880 100 Rally. (Solo)

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Jodel D90. (90 hp, Solo)

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Piper Cub. (Solo)

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MS 880 100 Rally Sport. (D-C including passing LOOPS and Split-S during advanced Maneuvrability training)

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Cessna F-150. (D-C)

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Gendarmerie Nationale Cessna 210 (D-C)

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Jurca Sirocco. (DC)

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A FEW gliders in D-C...

 

 I also have a log book for parachuting with 11 recorded static Jumps fromAdA MH.1521 Broussard and Cessna 210  at B.A 726 Nimes Guarron and Challon su Saone with the AdA Section Militaire de Parachutisme Sportif.

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 The parachute used at the time was the Aerazur TAP 65/20.

 

  12345: As opposed to you i DON'T NEED to invent myself a life, i had and still have one.

 

  Cheers.



 
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twistedneck       8/1/2009 4:21:55 AM
Is there a possilbe stealth version of the EF coming out in the future, something like the silent eagle.  If the eagle can do it at 35 years old, the EF should be able to improve even more.
 
HOw would this change the equation?
 
Excellent thread.
 
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Herald12345    Tough to do.   8/1/2009 4:43:20 AM

Is there a possilbe stealth version of the EF coming out in the future, something like the silent eagle.  If the eagle can do it at 35 years old, the EF should be able to improve even more.

 

HOw would this change the equation?

 

Excellent thread.

Its possible. You would need to find some way to redesign the tail completely (tailless delta with flapperons for example) and you would need to signal return emission manage the fore-planes and the engine intake, but it is possible. I would wonder why, though, as that is not the way its designed to fly or fight. You would need internal weapon stowage to make the LO effort actually worth it.  

Is it worth it?
 
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twistedneck       8/1/2009 5:27:39 AM
Is there a possilbe stealth version of the EF coming out in the future, something like the silent eagle.  If the eagle can do it at 35 years old, the EF should be able to improve even more.
 
HOw would this change the equation?
 
Excellent thread.
 
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twistedneck       8/1/2009 5:35:56 AM




Is there a possilbe stealth version of the EF coming out in the future, something like the silent eagle.  If the eagle can do it at 35 years old, the EF should be able to improve even more.



 



HOw would this change the equation?



 



Excellent thread.




Its possible. You would need to find some way to redesign the tail completely (tailless delta with flapperons for example) and you would need to signal return emission manage the fore-planes and the engine intake, but it is possible. I would wonder why, though, as that is not the way its designed to fly or fight. You would need internal weapon stowage to make the LO effort actually worth it.  




Is it worth it?




Double post somehow..
"is it worth it" - that is an interesting question.  I wonder if the designers have made these design proposals yet. EF is from what i've researched here the closest to F22 for air superiority...  with a new intake, tail design, fore-planes it would get closer, but the huge new belly may slow it right back down.
 
 
 
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Rufus       8/1/2009 10:57:23 AM
"Double post somehow..
"is it worth it" - that is an interesting question.  I wonder if the designers have made these design proposals yet. EF is from what i've researched here the closest to F22 for air superiority...  with a new intake, tail design, fore-planes it would get closer, but the huge new belly may slow it right back down."
 
You are on the right track here.
 
You could redesign the Eurofighter to get rid of its current tail.  You could also give it new intakes, additional RAM and various other upgrades.  The problem is that once you are done with all of that... you will still have an aircraft that while stealthier, is far less stealthy than an F-35. 
 
The only way to come close to an F-35's level of stealth would be to carry all weapons and fuel internally.  That would mean the EF would need to be enlarged quite a bit.
 
By the time you have enlarged a Typhoon to carry weapons and fuel internally... you are going to be dealing with a far larger and heavier aircraft.  Its performance will suffer.  That doesn't mean that they won't try to produce such an aircraft, but there are a lot of trade-offs. 
 
The F-22 and F-35 were designed from the start to carry their fuel and weapons internally and were thus able to be optimized better for that arrangement.
 
 

 
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