The F-22 would win hands down. It has a radar signature, and i quote, of a bumble bee (Or about the same as a F-117 stealth fighter). It is more maneuverable due to thrust vectoring. Its two 35,000lb Pratt & Whitney F119-P-100 turbofan engines deliver more thrust then the EuroFighters two 20,250lb Eurojet EJ200 turbofans. It is more aerodynamic because of the internal weapons. It has a much more sophisticated pilot interface. Hands down the F-22 would win. The F-22 is in a category all its own in terms of global fighters. Even the lovely F-15 with a confirmed combat kill ratio of at leat 200:0 is laughable in the face of a F-22. The EuroFighter is comparable to the JSF maybe. Also on the global market of fighter aircraft the EuroFigher is competing with the almost equally priced F-18 super hornet when countries debate as too which one to buy. We all know that the F-22 can beat a F-18.

F-22 is three times the price of the Eurofighter,

False it is two time the production price.

 

Is Eurofighter can beat an F22?

Depend largely on IRST, RWR, ECM, LO, number superiority and how much dense is battlefield.

However there is few chance that AMRAAM would work vs a F22 as there is also few chance (but better) than an AMRAAM will work vs an Eurofighter.The fight could go in the 20/30 km range and ASRAAM is not a missile to dismiss.

An Eurofighter once targetted and if RWR detect F22 can go low altitude and still use tactics to defeat F22 radar and missiles (ECM), and get in close range.

However I would prefer by far to be in a Rafale if fighting F22.

 

Waves at poseur 1.

 

Herald

 

You said that the F-22 is almost as susceptible to Air to ground missiles as the EuroFigher. Well that simply isn't true. The F-22 has almost the same signature as a F-117 stealth fighter, which has only been destroyed once by a ground to air missile and only because the enemy knew it would be there to shot down. The saturated the sky with missiles to take it out. The F-22 is much more advanced then that and combines our best stealth with the best of all other American technologies

To be clear on F22:

F22 radar has a 170 to 190 km detection range on a 1 SQM RCS target (which is very good) according to public data and also a short evaluation knowing state of art technology and physical characteristic displayed (antenna surface, number of modules, power output etc..).

If EF has a 0,1 sqm RCS, it reduces APG 77 range to 100 km.Of course EF radar can track only an F22 in front aspect within the 20 km range so in WVR.

However EF has sophisticated wide band digital internal ESM/ECM and ECM are likely to reduced radar range to half this value so 50 to 60 km (even for a LPI radar) but with radar F22 has still the edge.However even agaisnt LPI APG 77, EF RWR will detect APG a those range but not with a 100% probability but fighter networking help.

However PIRATE IRST with a claimed detection range of 145 km on a conventional fighter  is likely to detect a F22 between 50 and 70 km.

So F22 is likely to get a almost systematic detection at 60 km but EF will also often detect F22 at this range especially if several EF are there.

 

 

Now let see the missiles.

F22 (as EF) use AMRAAM for BVR with EW autodirector (a small X band doppler radar of 20 to 30 km range vs a normal fighter).

AMRAAM autodirector range will be reduced to a mere 3/4 km range on a F22 so probability of success is very low especially since a EF could not maintain permanent update of datalink while manoeuvering relying on its only IRST or ESM suit.Probably of few percent only (like SAM missile today vs ECM equiped aircraft!).

For the F22 AMRAAM autodirector range vs Eurofighter , its range will be reduced to 6 to 8 km (including ECM effect and I don't count EF cross eye jammer effect to get AMRAAM miss its target ) which still much better but to low to allow F22 to use it without permanent refreshing datalink until the last dozen km of missile flight using its radar.Probability of success of an AMRAAM is likely to be well under 10%.

 

So fighter could get close to visual range fight to get a shot using ASRAAM or AM9X.

 

 

Now replace EF by Rafale and we have even better  parameters for Rafale (thank to a better RCS reduction and ESM/ECM).

F22 detect and launch a missile on Rafale in BVR at 40 to 50 km range with even more reduced effect than on EF with AMRAAM while Rafale enjoy MICA IR as a main BVR weapon which have the same PK than a short range IR guided missile so much better than AMRAAM since IR reduction of F22 is not in the same magnitude of its radar RCS for simple physic reason (an engine reject hot gazes).

 

Conclusion is that F22 need a new BVR missile ASAP (dual mode autodirector) for countering LO+ECM protected aircrafts while taking full advantage of F22 platform.

This conclusion was written as soon as 1993 by US military scientific advisors when Eurofighter and rafale were in their infancy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is actually irrelevant. The United States has admitted to having at least 10 black air craft projects out of which at least 3 of them are manned aircraft. It is suspected that at least some of the funding claimed to have been used on the F-22 was spent on these other projects. It is also speculated that the F-22 is a testing ground for the new technologies being applied to these new air craft. It is almost certain that at least one of the new air craft will be able to beat the F-22 in a dog fight. Just think what would happen to a EuroFighter. The USA still has a air superiority advantage.

Quote from an F-22 Pilot during relating the ease with which he was able to down other fighters.  Keep in mind, this was an exercise in which FIVE F-15's with orders to show no mercy were pitched against ONE, thats right, ONE F-22.

 

"It was like clubbing baby seals"

 

I dont know about you, but that pretty much sums up what will happen to the Eurofighter among currently deployed fighters against the F-22:  slaughter. 

 

As an aside, the F-15 pilots never even knew where the F-22 was until it flew directly over their canopy at a distance of a hundred yards or so.  This entire thread is just foolish.