F-22 VS. Eurofighter

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gixxxerking RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- bluewings 2/15/2005 5:07:36 PM

Number do matter but there is no reason an F-22 wouldnt kill each and every Typhoon, or any other conventional fighter, until it ran out of missiles. Then it could simply supercruise away without being engaged. link They best way to beat an F-22 without a similar aircraft, and there is none, is to fight it asymetrically. SOF raids, Ballistic missiles, Cruise missiles, crater runways ect. To try to engage it in the air is suicide. You cant even run from a Raptor in a conventional plane. None of this takes away from the other great a/c out there but the F-22 is simply in a class by itself. Quite unfair, as it should be.

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Bluewings RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- bluewings 2/15/2005 5:08:43 PM

Don 'y get me wrong Bushwillwin . F-22 is a better Aircraft but the task to down a Typhoon is no walk in the park . I think F-22 would win the fight , but not everytime . Cheers .

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mike14 RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- bluewings 2/15/2005 5:14:56 PM

I agree the F-22 can shoot planes out of the sky until it runs out of missles, but the SU-37 with Russian radar can detect the the F-22. I am not sure but I think the SU-37 also has the supercruise capability, but I think it can only cruise at mach 1.3, correct me if I am wrong. The SU-37 can also out manuver a F-22 if things ever got close.

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gixxxerking RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 5:25:54 PM

The F-22 will shoot down any other fighter each and everytime they meet UNLESS the pilot chooses to engage in foolish WVR dogfighting. IF a dogfight happens then the F-22 will still have the advantage in all performance and manuvering parameters but HMS and modern AAMs can still easily out manuver any fighter. But the F-22 will have the ability to disengage at will in most cases where other fighters will not. As to your comment that the SU-37 can track the F-22, that is true. But then all fighters can track an F-22 if its within a few kms. The SU-37 will not track the F-22 at BVR ranges and this will be a huge disadvantage.

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mike14 RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 5:37:33 PM

Where do you have the information that a F-22 can out manuver a SU-37. Russian pilots would be trained to fly below radar if they knew F-22's are in the area, then they would engage F-22's in dog fight where I think the SU-37 has the advantage.

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Bluewings RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 5:59:07 PM

Quote : "The F-22 will shoot down any other fighter each and everytime" Forgetaboutit . The F-22 has the same problem that any other Fighter : will its missiles actualy reach and down their targets ? This is a different story . As an exemple , F-22 is HIGHLY survivable . It is very hard to shot down . If you get a lock on it , will your BVR Missiles detect and track Raptor ? But if the SU-37 is using IRBVR Missiles then it has a good chance to score vs F-22 . Cheers .

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gixxxerking RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 6:12:29 PM

No bluewings. You can attempt to minimize to whatever extent you feel necessary the advantages of the F-22. I state the circumstances where an F-22 would lose some of its advantages but as I also stated this would only happen by foolish pilot choice. Like a submarine SURFACING near an enemy. The F-22 actually has the engines to allow it to ALWAYS remain in the dark. And IRST are not as efficient as radar in sweeping the skies for air targets, not to mention the F-22 has a very much reduced IR profile. ALL Aspect stealth. It is like shooting fish in a barrel to fight other planes while in an F-22. The eagle enjoyed marginal superiority over the planes it fought and has never been shot down. The Raptor has extreme superiority in every way over anything except the F-23 which is not deployed. Why would it be any less successful. And Air Force flying anything less than F-22 is doomed from day one even if the numbers are 10 to 1. Sorry, but thats how it is. Mike14, I am not familiar with you but maybe you should take a look at the following website and re-evaluate how the SU-37 is going to "fly below radar" to sneak up on an F-22. link Also the SU-37 has sever drag penalties that the F-22 does not. THe F-22 a;so has a tremendous t/w ratio and TVC. There is no way a Flanker is going to out manuver an F-22. None.

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mike14 RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 6:27:24 PM

I dont really understand that stuff on the website gixxerking we didnt learn that stuff in school yet, 13, but i guess you are right if you have that kind of proof.

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gixxxerking RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter- mike14 2/15/2005 6:35:12 PM

Well try it yourself. Never take anyones word on an open forum because A LOT of people here speculate, even me, on some topics. But to save you time on this topic the SU-37 would not be likely to sneak under the F-22 radar.

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Shooter RE:F-22 VS. Eurofighter 2/15/2005 7:50:04 PM

I did not read a single reply to this question. Does anyone here really dought the out come?

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