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Subject: Pakistan army is better equipped than the indian army.
G3A3 7.62mm    10/3/2005 8:06:25 PM
1) pakistan uses better firarms than the indians for example the G3 is far better weapon than the INAS rifle in Rate of fire in Range and the knock out punch of the G3 7.62mm round is more powerful than the indian INAS 5.56mm round. 2) the Al khalid tank is far more superior than anthing the indians have the indians only have t-55 and t-72 tanks these tanks are know obsolte the Al Khalid main 125mm gun can take out those indian tanks from ranges up to 3 miles away while the indian ,t72,t-55 only have a range of only 1 mile so the Al khlaid can take out the indian tanks before the indian tanks know that the alkhalid is even there until the indian tanks get blown up also the al khalid has nightvision and thermal equipment and also an auto targeting scope meaning it will not lose the enemy tank. The Al Khalid is as good as the M1 Abrams and the Britsh Challanger and the Alkhalid has a speed of 45 miles per hour.
 
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meaningful    RE:Pakistan army is better equipped than the indian army.   11/6/2005 3:36:03 PM
Keep on dreaming boy!! we know how Pak faced shortage of helicopters and military during the earthquake!!! hahahahahahahahahah... and they ask for Indian helicopters without the pilots.. hohohoohohhohohohoohoh!!!!
 
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Amit from Mumbai       7/20/2007 6:58:19 AM
I am indian and proud to be.
I agree with all you of ppl who are saying everything in favor of pakistan .... But the war they are talking about was fought by thier very own brave warriors who laid thier lives for them and this is what this article from wikipedia has to say
I am putting link and and content also do check  all pakistanis ....
link  
Note: "AB YEH MAT KAHNA KI WIKIPEDIA INDIA KI SITE HAI"
Read section with heading Pakistan
this is what it says.

"Faced with the possibility of international isolation, the already fragile Pakistani economy was weakened further.[56][57] The morale of its forces after the withdrawal was affected[58] as many units of the Northern Light Infantry were destroyed,[59] and the government refused to even recognise the dead bodies of its soldiers,[60][61] an issue that provoked outrage and protests in the Northern Areas.[62][63] Pakistan initially did not acknowledge many of its casualties, but Sharif later said that over 4,000 Pakistani troops were killed in the operation and that Pakistan had lost the conflict. Responding to this, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said, "It hurts me when an ex-premier undermines his own forces," and claimed that Indian casualties were more than that of Pakistan.[64]"


I dont think ppls like these who dont know how to respect ppl who died for them(irrespective of a loss or win  in a war) are worthy enough for any kind of discussions, this discussion then becomes out of question by default. Brother indians leave them in isolation and let them think themselves as gods of india and world.


 
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ngxthree    Non-sense   7/22/2007 6:47:23 AM
LOL. You're kidding, right? You Pakistanis have an aura of superiority around you guys that are worse than self-centered Americans! It will be better if you listed your thread as "Is the Pakistan Army better equipped than the Indian Army?" because from my contextual knowledge, the IA appears to be better equipped with all its recent economic boom. But I'll try to be nice :)

It's true that the G3 battle rifle is a better weapon than the INAS in terms of stopping power but of course, both rifles does have its pros and cons such as the G3 being a much heavier weapon and with a smaller magazine capacity that makes it "undesirable" for FIBUA. That being said, most wars now are fought in urban areas but not much of India and Pakistan is developed thus I'll give the G3 one point.

The Al Khalid tank is superior to the T-55 and T-72, yes but there's only 320 of them and India does have a 10:1 ratio against the very adversaries you mentioned, excluding the T-90s that India got from Russia (which is still coming). Also, you put the Al Khalid against the older tanks in India's inventory. It's like duh, the newer one is likely to win so what will you say if I put the T-90 against the M48 Patton that the Khalid is scheduled to replace? Between the two new tanks both countries have recently procured, I would have to say that both tanks are great but none the winner as there are too many factors to consider (you may want to refer to the Tank A vs Tank B threads)

And how can you prove that your tank is better than the Abrams or Challenger? Where're your sources? So what if it can do 45 miles per hour? Too many factors to factor in - no one will be the winner. With both India and Pakistan possessing nuclear weaponry, there is no clear winner. Whatever disadvantages the Pakistanis have, such as a lower literacy rate, they've got nukes in their hands and so do the Indians so...I would rather go for peace than sit at home and endure nuclear winter.

" I dont think ppls like these who dont know how to respect ppl who died for them(irrespective of a loss or win  in a war) are worthy enough for any kind of discussions, this discussion then becomes out of question by default. Brother indians leave them in isolation and let them think themselves as gods of india and world. "

The facts are placed in front of you, you chose to ignore it and rant about how much more the PA is better and can take over the world in two centuries (which will never happen). Face it, you guys are better living with peace ^_^v

 
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Thesingh       6/17/2008 2:19:21 AM
You bludy Pakistanies, You forgot the lesson we tought you in 1965, then 1971, and then in Kargil. It is your misunderstanding to think that we have the only t-55 tank, you forgot the Arjun tank. Which is enough able to rend your assssss. We beat you in 65, 71 and in Kargil. This is your mistake to think that Our pm was went to US for pressuurising to you. He went to US to warn you. It was you who licked the foot of Russia in 1965, you Idiot PM Ajub Khan (PM), for the compromise done in Tashkand. You always keep remember The TASHKAND. A Slap on every Pakistani for ever. You were bludy Looser, you are looser and you will be looser. Stay away from the LOC. Hey why you dont make movies on India Pakistan wars.....?
 
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hrp0612    hmmmmmmm   7/11/2008 12:13:14 AM

When do you graduate from middle school boy ?

 
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hrp0612    hmmmmmmm   7/11/2008 12:14:50 AM
the comment was meant for the uneducated pakistani rednecky response.  Mera bhaarat mahaan.
 
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light       7/16/2008 2:56:59 PM
You people have an one problem never accept truth.
ah ahah ahahaha ahah ahah ahha
 
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truth speaker       10/9/2008 10:16:04 AM

                                         TOP 10 ARMIES IN THE WORLD


According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):
1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. India
5. France
6. Russia
7. UK
8. Italy
9. Israel
10. Pakistan

JUST TAKE A LOOK WHERE PAKISTAN STANDS.................NOTHING MORE THAN A LOOSERR



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truth speaker       10/9/2008 10:23:28 AM

                                         TOP 10 ARMIES IN THE WORLD




According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):

1. USA

2. China

3. Germany

4. India

5. France

6. Russia

7. UK

8. Italy

9. Israel

10. Pakistan


JUST TAKE A LOOK WHERE PAKISTAN STANDS.................NOTHING MORE THAN A LOOSERR ....................come on pakiss   face the truth u r a looser ..........






 
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truth speaker       10/9/2008 10:29:30 AM
pakiss    ,,,,u guyss  r sickk.............accept the truth buddiesss....pakistan is a looser......econimicalyy and socialy both  the factorss  .........pakistan is a looserr...................most unsafe place in the world is pakistan  ..........ass of america
shit of china
and ....of russiaaa



 
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patriot_ashu    stop day dreaming you pakis!!!!!   12/24/2008 1:32:02 AM
hey pakis look at the stats before telling anything furthur oh!!!!
sry i forget after seeing this how u'll not be in the situation to speak u dumb peoples...........


Military Budgets and Economic Impact

Pakistan?s defence budget for the year 2006-07 was $4.1 billion (~3% of GDP) in response to India?s hike in defence budget of 2006-07 at $20.11 billion (~ 2.5% of GDP). Pakistan?s hike in military budget would be partially funded by its government coffers and partially by borrowing whereas India?s military spending would be entirely off its own funds. India?s ambitious budget prompted Pakistan to up its own military budget, despite the country?s widespread poverty and socio-political problems. Apart from its GDP, Pakistani military also gets a considerable funding from United States. Considering that India has a far larger economy overall, its military budget is also several times larger, despite being a smaller share of India?s GDP.

Manpower and Ground Forces

As of 2005, India has the second largest military manpower in the world - at 3,773,300 personell, next only to China. Pakistan?s manpower of 1,449,000 personell, although smaller in numbers, is proportionally higher than India in terms of their population ratios. Pakistan?s ground forces are equipped with American or Chinese weapons like FIM 92 Stinger SAMs, BGM-71 TOW anti-tank missiles, T-82 tanks and other equipments. Indian ground forces are equipped with mostly home-made and Soviet technologies like IR guided 9K35 Strela-10 SAMs, 3rd Gen IR guided Nag anti-tank missiles, UAVs and a large inventory of tanks and support vehicles. In terms of both numbers and equipments, Indian military dominates the Pakistani ground forces.

 

Comparison of Air Forces

As of 2006, Indian Air Force (IAF) has over 170,000 personnel and 3,382 aircrafts, of which 1,330 are combat aircrafts operating off 61 airbases - making it the fourth largest air force in the world. India?s strike fighters consist of Russian and French aircrafts like Mikoyan MiG-29, Dassault Mirage 2000, Sukhoi Su-30 - the last one developed under dual licensing by HAL, India?s aerospace industry in Bangalore. In addition to these, Indian Air Force also owns ground attack aircrafts, reconnaissance aircrafts, UAVs and support helicopters - a majority of them either of Soviet or French origin. Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has about 530 combat aircrafts and 65,000 active personnel, operating out of 9 airbases. Its strike fighters consist of US, Chinese and ageing French fighters like F-16 Fighting Falcon, JF-17 Thunder and Dassault Mirage ROSE-III. It also has transport aircrafts like Lockheed Martin C-130 and Airbus A310, however unlike India, there are no UAVs or reconnaissance aircrafts in the Pakistani Air Force.

 

Naval and Sea Based Forces

After the overwhelming losses in the 1971 war against India, Pakistan rapidly increased the size of its naval fleet which doubled in the 1980s after a massive 3.2 billion dollar military and economic aid by US President Ronald Reagan. At present, Pakistan?s navy owns over 45 vessels , most of them of US or European origin which include submarines, destroyers, frigates, patrol and mine warfare boats. It operates from its sole naval port in Karachi and sometimes from naval facilities in UK, USA and France. It had recently been involved in various humanitarian operations during the 2005 Tsunami in South East Asia. Indian Navy on the other hand, is a three dimensional naval force consisting of missile-capable warships, an aircraft carrier, mine sweepers and a host of marine aircrafts. Most of the warships in the Indian navy are indigenously built in its own dockyards. The navy operates from its major naval bases in Visakhapatnam, Mumbai, Goa and the Andaman Islands. Indian Navy has significant capabilities of being a true blue water Navy and is experienced both in war and peacekeeping operations in the Indian Ocean.

 

The Nuclear Club

India tested a nuclear bomb in 1974 using materials from Canada and technical help from Soviet Union. However, the embargo on heavy water export from Canada after the test stalled India?s nuclear ambitions till 1998, when it shocked the world by conducting five nuclear detonations termed as Shakti tests. The highest yield was by a 48 kiloton staged fusion device, which India claimed was a thermonuclear bomb but seismic data on the tests proved otherwise. In the same year 1998, Pakistan conducted a series of six nuclear detonations in a test termed as Chagai. The highest yield was reported to be about 25 kiloton from a two stage boosted device. At present Pakistan?s nuclear stockpile is slated to be around 30-40 warheads while India possesses 70-100 warheads. The nuclearisation of India and Pakistan became a turning point in the history of conflicts between these two countries with high tensions but no war, not very much unlike the US vs USSR Cold War.

 

Ballistic and Cruise Missile Proliferation

In the nuclear delivery front, both India and Pakistan have a series of ballistic and cruise missiles in addition to ground attack aircrafts. The maximum range among India?s operational ballistic missiles is 2000 km achieved by Agni-2. India?s Agni ballistic missiles are indigenously developed by its own missile defence industry known as IGMDP. The maximum range among Pakistan?s missiles is by Hatf V Gauri which is reported to do over 2200 kms. Pakistan?s Hatf missiles are based on North Korean No-Dong series of IRBMs. Both Pakistan?s Hatf and India?s Agni ballistic missiles are nuclear capable. India has also developed a supersonic cruise missile BrahMos which is by far the fastest cruise missile at Mach 2.6 and maximum range of 290 km. It is reported to be nuclear capable but it is not confirmed yet. On the Pakistan side, its Babur cruise missile has a reported range of 700 km and a maximum speed of 880 km/h (Mach 0.7). As with India BrahMos, Babur is also reported to be nuclear capable but there is no confirmation yet.

 

The Final Verdict

Both Pakistan and India are almost evenly matched head to head in nuclear and missile fronts, however India has strategic and technological superiority over the conventional forces of Pakistan. Indian Navy is larger in fleet and personnel size with a more varied range of ships including an aircraft carrier while Pakistan?s Navy is smaller and has no aircraft carriers. Indian?s IAF is equipped with highly capable fighters like 4.5th generation Su-30s and 4th gen Mirage 2000s which are technologically superior to Pakistan PAF?s F-16s and Mirage IIIs. Additionally Indian pilots are better trained and more capable in air combat than Pakistani forces as was demonstrated by its various wars with Pakistan or joint exercises with US and UK. In the area of conventional ground forces both the Indian as well as Pakistani Army is well equipped and highly trained to survive in extremities of topography and climate in combat conditions, like wars in the high Himalayas.

 

If a purely conventional war were to take place between both these countries, India would most likely overpower Pakistan owing to its superior military technology and infrastructure, larger manpower, more territorial area and a strategic advantage in its sea and air forces. It must also be noted that a war between these two countries will matter more than India?s conventional superiority as both these nations are nuclear powers on an equal deadlock. India has maintained a ?no first use? nuclear policy in the lines of a similar policy by China while Pakistan does not have any such policy, considering their only hope against India is in nuclear deterrance. It would be risky for India at the present scenario to go into any aggressive war against Pakistan as the repercussions would be serious a nuclear devastation for both countries.

 
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PAF       12/27/2008 5:23:48 PM
I really think Pakistan army better than Indian army in my opinion because remember in 1965 a PAF pilot ranked Air Commandore named M.M Alam who shot down 5 IAF Hunter aircraft less than a munute with a F-86 Sabre jet and he was rewarded Nishan-e-Haider.You guys can decide if Pakistan army better or India's by comparing at the equipments in the following link:http
link one for Pakistan.
link for India. 
 
 
 
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dilse_INDIAN    Saurabh AN INDIAN   7/4/2009 5:08:19 PM
I had thought to give some peaceful comment after I read everything, now that my fellow INDIANS had thought u guyz a lesson.
 
WELL but it seems u will never understand the bloody simple thing
 
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS u IDIOT
 
don't count this one lucky flick u got
 there are hundreds of Heros to match that one lucky guy.
 and haider u say man
what i know is very simple Indian forces screwed you guyz in all wars

ANd I won't go to those stupid links u've pasted
coz i don't need to 
 
We all Indians know a fact deep in our heart
We've screwed u guyz in past
and will do it very soon again if u still persist to
be such dumb asses
The only thing u need to read is the material pasted above by us Indians
and then speak to us
 
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cwDeici       7/7/2009 6:45:13 AM

1) pakistan uses better firarms than the indians for example the G3 is far better weapon than the INAS rifle in Rate of fire in Range and the knock out punch of the G3 7.62mm round is more powerful than the indian INAS 5.56mm round. 2) the Al khalid tank is far more superior than anthing the indians have the indians only have t-55 and t-72 tanks these tanks are know obsolte the Al Khalid main 125mm gun can take out those indian tanks from ranges up to 3 miles away while the indian ,t72,t-55 only have a range of only 1 mile so the Al khlaid can take out the indian tanks before the indian tanks know that the alkhalid is even there until the indian tanks get blown up also the al khalid has nightvision and thermal equipment and also an auto targeting scope meaning it will not lose the enemy tank. The Al Khalid is as good as the M1 Abrams and the Britsh Challanger and the Alkhalid has a speed of 45 miles per hour.


It's well known that Muslim India has better allies that provide better weapons than India can produce or obtain for a number of insane reasons.
 
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cwDeici       7/7/2009 6:49:13 AM

 the Al khlaid can take out the indian tanks before the indian tanks know that the alkhalid is even there until the indian tanks get blown up also the al khalid has nightvision and thermal equipment and also an auto targeting scope meaning it will not lose the enemy tank. The Al Khalid is as good as the M1 Abrams and the Britsh Challanger and the Alkhalid has a speed of 45 miles per hour.

...wait wait wait!
The Pak tank might be superior, but I'm skeptical as to whether it defeats the Indian tank hands down.
 
And you seem to be obviously biased here.
 
As good as the Abrams and Challenger? Those are challengers with the Leapord for best tank in the world! (probably the best in the world as the Leapord lax combat experience (but has a better design) than the Russian tank which has some experience like the Challenger might have more of, but neither can't compete with the Abrams for that).
 
You're off your hook. No way the Al Khalid can compete with a hundred years of western tank design, testing, technology and warfare.
 
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