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Subject: Top UK military allies after US
Herc the Merc    7/14/2007 1:33:05 AM
Who would u rank in order of military importance? not ethnic alliances or EU considerations only or unconditional support--eg if Aussieland is considered a close ally but simply does not have mass to be a significant military in large large wars and hence would be disqualified, e.g UK & Australia could not have countered Germany and Japan.
 
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Griffin       7/14/2007 1:39:31 AM

Who would u rank in order of military importance? not ethnic alliances or EU considerations only or unconditional support--eg if Aussieland is considered a close ally but simply does not have mass to be a significant military in large large wars and hence would be disqualified, e.g UK & Australia could not have countered Germany and Japan.
Are you asking this question as it pertains to the past, or current day, or both?


 
 
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Herc the Merc       7/14/2007 1:40:28 AM
Current day as I think Britain is where the cold war will start again.
 
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Lynstyne       7/14/2007 3:13:00 AM
 who how and why do you see a division of nations leading to a new cold war
 
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sofa       7/14/2007 7:59:56 AM
cold war? who in europe wants to defend themselves?
 
How about the hot war Europe is pretending their not in? Muslims conquering Europe with population bombs, as Europe sleeps and pretends it isn't happening. Will Europe look like Lebanon in 50 years?
 
 
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Drazhar       7/14/2007 8:30:28 AM
You Americans are hypocrites when it comes to immigration. 12 MILLON ILLEGAL Mexicans live in your country. They do far more damage to your social system then the muslims here. Look at all the free health care they are entitled too, look at all the criminals who commit murders and what not, look at all the jobs they taking from the Americans, thus, bringing wages down for the population.
 
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RaptorZ       7/14/2007 9:39:03 AM
I don't know about the monetary assessment, but the French Riots looked a whole lot more hurtful than what the 12 million illegals here do.   You got to remember most of these people are underground and working, keeping a low profile.  Furthermore, All 12 million are not Mexican.   Furthermore, even if they were what is the % of 12 million vs 300,000,000?   Small.   what's the current pop trend in France, spain etc of Muslim/arab births to non muslim/arab.   Immigration as well.  at any rate....
 
Important allies for the US in Europe is pretty much all of them though.   I don't see any falling out of line either.   Sure we have our differences when times are peaceful and that's ok, but I see the EU shifting more towards the US than away.  Japan and Australia are obviously hugely important close allies.  
 
My feelings have always been give me UK, Australia, Canada and Japan as allies and I'm happy.    We're close, we are for the most part quite trusting of one another, and we're all powerful in our own right.
 
Though there are several others who I could put up there...Israel, Denmark, South Korea, Poland etc etc etc...I just don't think they fall in the same category as the 4 I've said above, though they're good allies imo.
 
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tigertony    Drazhar   7/14/2007 10:50:12 AM
 "You Americans are hypocrites when it comes to immigration. 12 MILLON ILLEGAL Mexicans live in your country. They do far more damage to your social system then the muslims here. Look at all the free health care they are entitled too, look at all the criminals who commit murders and what not, look at all the jobs they taking from the Americans, thus, bringing wages down for the population."
 
 
    Well now i suppose that all those "Radical Muslims" attending a mosque in downtown London, and shouting kill Tony Blair,and Jihad to UK,and turning soon the UK into the Crusades again,are helping your case? I would bet there may be a few living in the USA who would still shout Jihad,or perhap's even Heil Hitler,and maybe even the N-WORD,but i will bet you that they will not be "Turning our streets into Baghdad,Auschwitz,or David Duke on TV!!!".
 
 And i would agree that allowing "12,000,000 illegals" carrying out our garbage,or mowing my lawn,or depressing my wage, should not be happening while even "One Real American" is still outta of a job!.  The difference is with the UK and France "You will be needing a whole lot more Grave Diggers!!!"
 
   And as for who should be with the USA? Well if i was Europe i would be putting all my spare change with NATO,well since if those in Europe would remember "The Warsaw Pact is now gone because of it!".

 

                                                                     tigertony

 
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sofa       7/14/2007 11:11:08 AM
UK looks keen on supporting Hamas and Hitzbollah against Israel.
 
 
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sofa       7/14/2007 11:14:21 AM
PM directs that no one shall use phrase "muslim terrorrist".
 
So muslims are "freedom fiighters"?  Muslims are UK biggest ally.
 
 
 
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Yimmy       7/14/2007 1:23:16 PM
Well this turned into another f*** fest fast.

Englands oldest ally is Portugal, I believe.


 
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french stratege       7/14/2007 5:42:09 PM
The closest ally of UK is France after US (or in parallel).
 
France and UK have conducted together several operation like Suez in 56.
 
Collaboration is at highest level
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There is exchange of top executives in both MOD and also at operational level.
Only the British have access to some level of secret in France defense
Only French and US have access to some level of secret in British defense
 
UK also has trusted enough France to have big dependancies in weapon procurement from the french and have allowed France to purchase key British defense assets.They have obtained garantees from us.
Also our armed forces are very similar in size, equipement, quality  and missions, and also complementary.
Our strategic national interest are common as former empires with lot of oversea territories, democratic nations, a worlwide diplomacy and the will to exist facing new challenge like India or China, to preserve our foreign assets and investment.
Indeed UK lack of strategic equipement and have to benefit of USA assets OR French as a secondary provider.
As long UK has the French links, USA are compelled to give more to UK to counter balance.
If France would not cooperate with UK, UK would fell immediately in a vassal position to USA.
 
UK has the permanent challenge to choose between USA and France as its main ally.
And benefit of both with the competition.
Of course French dreams UK break the link with USA and that we could invest in more common equipement and assets.
We would have liked UK to purchase M51 and Rafale (or a new common UK.french fighter) instead of Trident and F35.
 
For internal Europe policy and economic issues, Germany is France key partner.
For external Europe policy and defense issues, UK is France key partner
 
In my personal adress book, there is much more UK executives than German or Italians.
 
 
 
 
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Hugo       7/15/2007 10:58:55 AM

Well this turned into another f*** fest fast.

Englands oldest ally is Portugal, I believe.



Wouldn't it be Denmark on account of the last Anglo Saxon King, Harold, being supported by the Danes?
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 11:10:10 AM



Well this turned into another f*** fest fast.

Englands oldest ally is Portugal, I believe.




Wouldn't it be Denmark on account of the last Anglo Saxon King, Harold, being supported by the Danes?


Hmmm, I don't think we have a formal written treaty with them (well we probably do now what with our partnership in NATO and all, but not dating from back then.)

I think Portugal is our oldest real treaty for mutual defence.
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 11:18:25 AM
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"Britain and Portugal have had a Treaty of Alliance since 1373 when the English fought alongside the Portuguese Royal House of Avis at the battle of Aljubarrota against Spain. The two nations signed the Treaty of Windsor in May 1386 formally confirming the alliance which has been the cornerstone of their bilateral foreign policy for more than 600 years. The final seal on that alliance was the royal marriage in 1387 between Philippa of Lancaster, daughter of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, and João I of Portugal.  Bilateral trade flourished through English warehouses in Oporto. Cod and cloth were exchanged for wine, cork, salt, and oil. And the couple’s youngest son Henrique (Prince Henry the Navigator) paved the way for Portugal’s Golden Age with his sea voyages of discovery.

Almost 300 years later Britain responded to Portugal’s request for help against threats from France by signing in June 1661 a military treaty in which Britain pledged to defend Portugal. This was sealed by another royal wedding. Charles II married the Infanta Catharine of Braganza who introduced tea to Britain, as well as bringing a dowry of two million cruzados, Tangiers and Bombay. "

"In the 18th and 19th centuries Portugal and Britain continued to support each other. In 1700 France declared war on Britain and asked Portugal to close her ports to British ships. Portugal’s response was to join Britain and the Netherlands in May 1703 in a ‘Grand Alliance’ against the French and Spanish Bourbon dynasty, as requested by Britain’s emissary, John Methuen. "

"In 1807 when Napoleon marched into Lisbon and the royal family fled to Brazil, Portugal invoked the Treaty of Windsor of 1386. British Generals, including Beresford and Wellington, came to defend Portugal and Napoleon was defeated 3 years later. As a result, Britain was allowed to trade directly with Brazil. "
 

 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 11:21:49 AM
Sorry to post three times in a row, but...

"In 1807 when Napoleon marched into Lisbon and the royal family fled to Brazil, Portugal invoked the Treaty of Windsor of 1386."

I think the above really does emphasise nicely the extent of the history of modern Europe.
 
 
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