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Subject: British soldier in Iraq describes coming under attack from Americans
AdamB    1/30/2007 1:59:12 PM
Why is it than when it comes to fighting wars the Americans are so useless and the British are so much better? The British can tell the difference between an enemy and a friendly army. US warplanes hit British tank convoy in Iraq, inquest told By Emma Henry and agencies 30/01/2007 A teenage soldier awarded the highest British honour for gallantry has described the terrifying moment when his tank convoy came under fire from American planes in Iraq. George Cross holder L/Cpl Chris Finney, 19, said he had been driving the lead Scimitar tank in a convoy of four away from Basra in southern Iraq on a reconnaissance mission, when the two A-10 tankbuster planes struck on March 28, 2003. He told the Oxford inquest into colleague L/Cpl of Horse Matty Hull's death that he did not know at the time these were American planes until he saw one lining up to fire for a second time. L/Cpl Hull's widow listened in tears as L/Cpl Finney said said: "At first there were sparks everywhere and the vehicles stopped, they obviously had been stopped by something. I couldn't actually see what had hit us or where from. He said he reversed back on the instructions of the commander and into the tank carrying L/Cpl Hull, 25, of Windsor, Berkshire. He said as he jumped out of his tank, he tried to grab his rifle but a fire inside the vehicle forced him back. He said he realised that there were still people inside as he took cover. He said: "I was looking around me and couldn't really see. I then looked back at my vehicle to see my gunner trying to get out." Oxfordshire Assistant Deputy Coroner Andrew Walker said the gunner was suffering from a large leg wound. L/Cpl Finney, then a trooper with just one year's experience in the army, pulled him out of the burning vehicle and began to give him medical treatment. As he did so, he was aware that a type of smoke used by coalition forces to indicate a friendly fire incident had been released by one of the tanks in the convoy. He said: "From where I was I wasn't aware that it was a plane or anything like that. All I knew was our vehicles had been hit and the smoke had been deployed. "I was still with my gunner on the floor at this point and the plane came back into view to start its second run." The inquest heard that he himself had been hit in the arm, but he was only aware of his arm shaking and did not realise he was injured until later. He told Mr Walker that he went back to L/Cpl Hull's tank to try to save whoever was inside, but fierce flames forced him back. Mr Walker told him: "I should just like to say, Mr Finney, that you are an extremely brave man and are to be commended for what you did, because it seems to me that had you not taken the steps that you did to move your gunner away from this incident then his injuries may well have been significantly more than they were." L/Cpl Hull, from Princes William and Harry's Blues and Royals, the Household Cavalry Regiment, died at the scene and his remains were left in the tank until they could safely be recovered the next day. telegraph.co.uk
 
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DropBear       2/11/2007 4:37:24 AM
 
As my earlier post said, I have been reading the Aust Offical Histories and was there, so I don't need a broad brush and not entirely accurate lecture.
 
Just because you were there doesn't mean you know every last detail.
 
 
 
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neutralizer       2/12/2007 3:52:46 AM
I haven't delved into any detail, and if I did it would invetably be limited in space and time.  However, macro issues of the war are not detail, they are critical issues in learning from experience.
 
Counter-insurgency and pacification is a very important subject.  Australia claims expertise on not a lot of real experience, particulary in running it at the civil military interface, exactly the difficult area in Phuoc Tuy.  In Malaya, as I understand it, Aust troops did a bit in the J in the later years, but I've never heard of any 'management' role.  Of course Malaya is not entirely a good example because in the critical years the Brits totally ran the show, and were the government.  A much better example is Oman.  I've even heard Aust claim about Borneo being CI, another joke.  Bugger all CI there, and there wasn't an Australian to be seen in Brunei in 1962 which was a real insurrection with the sticky fingers of the TNI all over it, but swiftly sorted by Tom & Booty.  E Timor was a stabilisation op, again not CI although there was a slight threat from some Indons going feral, dealt with by demonstrating overwhelming force -a sensible tactic to squash any naughtiness at birth.
 
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Ehran       2/15/2007 12:25:24 PM

[quote]You wouldn't even pitch in to Vietnam where you really could have done some good.[/quote]

 

You're right.  We would have done a hell of a lot better than the Americans and Australians did.  Be probably would have BEATEN that poverty-stricken, Third World country, which is something that you couldn't do.



adam the aussies did just fine in viet nam.  it's a real pity their policies didn't get further up the chain of command as what they were doing seemed to be working well in their zone.
 
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Ehran       2/15/2007 12:32:54 PM



Why US pilots shoot at allied equipment they know full well is not possessed by the enemy is one of those enduring mysteries of war.

Cheers.



Its not just allied equipment.... they manage to bomb and strafe US troops on occassion as well.   However, as the saying goes, if you want something done right, do it yourself.   The US Army should have never let the air force go off to create its own branch


 


dunno bout that joe.  remember all the army guys killed shortly after dday when the army air force level bombed the snot out of their division.
 
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Ispose    British Trollers   2/16/2007 10:07:31 AM
Ah, its so good to see comments from the concerned citizens of New France, excuse me I meant England.
 
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