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Subject: British soldier in Iraq describes coming under attack from Americans
AdamB    1/30/2007 1:59:12 PM
Why is it than when it comes to fighting wars the Americans are so useless and the British are so much better? The British can tell the difference between an enemy and a friendly army. US warplanes hit British tank convoy in Iraq, inquest told By Emma Henry and agencies 30/01/2007 A teenage soldier awarded the highest British honour for gallantry has described the terrifying moment when his tank convoy came under fire from American planes in Iraq. George Cross holder L/Cpl Chris Finney, 19, said he had been driving the lead Scimitar tank in a convoy of four away from Basra in southern Iraq on a reconnaissance mission, when the two A-10 tankbuster planes struck on March 28, 2003. He told the Oxford inquest into colleague L/Cpl of Horse Matty Hull's death that he did not know at the time these were American planes until he saw one lining up to fire for a second time. L/Cpl Hull's widow listened in tears as L/Cpl Finney said said: "At first there were sparks everywhere and the vehicles stopped, they obviously had been stopped by something. I couldn't actually see what had hit us or where from. He said he reversed back on the instructions of the commander and into the tank carrying L/Cpl Hull, 25, of Windsor, Berkshire. He said as he jumped out of his tank, he tried to grab his rifle but a fire inside the vehicle forced him back. He said he realised that there were still people inside as he took cover. He said: "I was looking around me and couldn't really see. I then looked back at my vehicle to see my gunner trying to get out." Oxfordshire Assistant Deputy Coroner Andrew Walker said the gunner was suffering from a large leg wound. L/Cpl Finney, then a trooper with just one year's experience in the army, pulled him out of the burning vehicle and began to give him medical treatment. As he did so, he was aware that a type of smoke used by coalition forces to indicate a friendly fire incident had been released by one of the tanks in the convoy. He said: "From where I was I wasn't aware that it was a plane or anything like that. All I knew was our vehicles had been hit and the smoke had been deployed. "I was still with my gunner on the floor at this point and the plane came back into view to start its second run." The inquest heard that he himself had been hit in the arm, but he was only aware of his arm shaking and did not realise he was injured until later. He told Mr Walker that he went back to L/Cpl Hull's tank to try to save whoever was inside, but fierce flames forced him back. Mr Walker told him: "I should just like to say, Mr Finney, that you are an extremely brave man and are to be commended for what you did, because it seems to me that had you not taken the steps that you did to move your gunner away from this incident then his injuries may well have been significantly more than they were." L/Cpl Hull, from Princes William and Harry's Blues and Royals, the Household Cavalry Regiment, died at the scene and his remains were left in the tank until they could safely be recovered the next day. telegraph.co.uk
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Not quite   1/31/2007 3:12:22 PM

Americans are useless at fighting wars.  Absolutely useless.  Get back to fighting the Indians and leave Iraq to us.


Do you (and the rest of us) have the manpower to do another joint Commonwealth "Malayan Emergency" type op in Iraq? I don't think so. You wouldn't even pitch in to Vietnam where you really could have done some good.

Cheers.
 
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fullamongo    Vietnam?   1/31/2007 3:58:17 PM
   Huh?
 
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flamingknives       1/31/2007 4:09:17 PM
Got to wonder who "you" is supposed to refer to?  
If he meant the UK and Commonwealth (not counting Australia, they were there), perhaps it because they recognised it for the clusterfudge that it was and knew well enough to steer clear.

As for AdamB, best ignore the oxygen thief and perhaps he'll go away.
 
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Herc the Merc    AdamB   2/1/2007 11:05:14 AM

Americans are useless at fighting wars.  Absolutely useless.  Get back to fighting the Indians and leave Iraq to us.


The last time England controlled Iraq its because of the Commonwealth troops not British soldiers, and in the Falklands the simple knowledge that the Gurkhas have landed scared the Argintines more than anything out there. As for ur taunts--well let most of u UKites go back to ur football games.
 
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AdamB       2/1/2007 12:43:59 PM
[quote]You wouldn't even pitch in to Vietnam where you really could have done some good.[/quote]
 
You're right.  We would have done a hell of a lot better than the Americans and Australians did.  Be probably would have BEATEN that poverty-stricken, Third World country, which is something that you couldn't do.

 
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AdamB       2/1/2007 12:50:55 PM
"The last time England controlled Iraq its because of the Commonwealth troops not British soldiers"
 
Yeah, if it wsn't for those small countries with tiny populations we would never have controlled Iraq.  Maybe that's the reason why the Americans are also struggling right now in controlling Iraq.  Maybe they should get the Canadians in to help them.  But, come to think of that, they've already got the British there to do most of the dirty and dangerous work for them.
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"and in the Falklands the simple knowledge that the Gurkhas have landed scared the Argintines more than anything out there. "
 
And the fact that the Argentines had 649 soldiers killed, 1068 wounded and 11,313 taken prisoner.
 
Compared to the British who had just 258 killed, 777 wounded and just 59 taken prisoner.
 
And it's lucky that the Americans - like the British in Vietnam - decided not to take part alongside us, otherwise our death toll probably would have been higher.
 
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AdvanceAustralia    Good advice   2/1/2007 2:32:23 PM

Got to wonder who "you" is supposed to refer to?  
If he meant the UK and Commonwealth (not counting Australia, they were there), perhaps it because they recognised it for the clusterfudge that it was and knew well enough to steer clear.

As for AdamB, best ignore the oxygen thief and perhaps he'll go away.

Good advice, I'll do just that. There is obviously no point trying to conduct a reasoned debate with him.

Cheers.
 
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joe6pack       2/1/2007 2:39:32 PM

Why US pilots shoot at allied equipment they know full well is not possessed by the enemy is one of those enduring mysteries of war.

Cheers.


Its not just allied equipment.... they manage to bomb and strafe US troops on occassion as well.   However, as the saying goes, if you want something done right, do it yourself.   The US Army should have never let the air force go off to create its own branch

 
 
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Panther       2/1/2007 9:44:48 PM
My apologies too our brethen, if this is what we sound like from time to time. I'll gladly ignore him, if you will kindly ignore our's!
 
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neutralizer       2/2/2007 2:50:03 AM
It will be interesting to see what the coroner has to say, not to mention other witnesses - will the FAC be called?
 
Can coroners issue supoenas? Will he invite USAF witnesses?  I'll bet the US Embassy is in attendance at the hearing.
 
And frankly the biz about difficult to identify targets is very iffy, a single pass error might just be excusable in the 'fog of war', depending on the weather conditions.  But a second pass?  I'd guess this is going to be a key matter for the coroner to decide whether its misadventure or unlawful killing.  If its unlawful killing can the pilots be extradited to face British justice?
 
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