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Subject: Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23
perfectgeneral    1/18/2006 9:31:22 AM
One of the main arguements against the Sylver package at present is lack of flexibility in comparrison to US VLS. Give Aster a surface capability. Give Sylver a cruise missile, Brimstone and a few other suprises and it becomes a better use of space aboard ship.

I have often thought that launchers beyond about 36-48 are excessive and that rather than more launchers an auto-load feature would be of more use. To reduce the risk of misfire (and height restrictions) all the non-edge silos could be loaded with anti-air/suface Asters or cruise, but the side loading silos could hold a mix that can be varied using stores loaded from different angles (Aster 15/Brimstone/other) from below decks. Perhaps the fore and/or aft edges of the launcher array would be most accessable for this purpose?

When dedicated to capital ship escort the Darings will have no use for the shore bombardment capability of Brimstone type weapons, but cruise should have the range to chip in from 30nm offshore. The extra Astors will reinforce their corp mission. Perhaps the autoloading section of 'Sylver 2' could be incorporated into new frigates so they can close in for fire support to shore during amphibious operations?
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23   1/18/2006 11:39:32 AM
One of the main arguements against the Sylver package at present is lack of flexibility in comparrison to US VLS. Give Aster a surface capability. Give Sylver a cruise missile, Brimstone and a few other suprises and it becomes a better use of space aboard ship. The A70 Sylver is for the Scalp cruise missile. However, I could imagine RN could use a mix of Sylver and MK41 for T-LAM. I have often thought that launchers beyond about 36-48 are excessive and that rather than more launchers an auto-load feature would be of more use. Agree regarding number of VLS. Especially if you have conventionally canister SSMs on the ship as well. To reduce the risk of misfire (and height restrictions) all the non-edge silos could be loaded with anti-air/suface Asters or cruise, but the side loading silos could hold a mix that can be varied using stores loaded from different angles (Aster 15/Brimstone/other) from below decks. Perhaps the fore and/or aft edges of the launcher array would be most accessable for this purpose? Curious why angled VLS would be an advantage. When dedicated to capital ship escort the Darings will have no use for the shore bombardment capability of Brimstone type weapons, but cruise should have the range to chip in from 30nm offshore. The extra Astors will reinforce their corp mission. Perhaps the autoloading section of 'Sylver 2' could be incorporated into new frigates so they can close in for fire support to shore during amphibious operations? If you could quad-pack these missiles in a Sylver, perhaps you wouldn't need the reload option?
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23   1/18/2006 5:41:11 PM
I'm not proposing 'angled VLS' (a contradiction in terms). Vertical with side loading (cf underneath or top load like a motar). Quad or triple (Aster 15 is quite wide) would be great. I'm sure that 48 silos is plenty for most purposes. I am looking at the option of serious fire support or coping with a large number of missile threats (think Taiwan/China approaches). If a ship had 192 missiles on board, she wouldn't want to fire them simutaneously. It would be taxing on the targeting computer and might cause too much recoil. Also autoloaders can allow rapid change of mission (keep a row empty for that).
 
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interestedamateur    RE:Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23   1/23/2006 6:42:49 AM
As already mentioned Aster 70 will cope with SCALP. Can SCALP attack Naval as well as land targets? If I was fantasizing the only other thing I would like to see is an Aster ?0 that could fire Milas ASW missiles.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23   1/23/2006 10:47:20 AM
Milas ASW missiles: Weight 800 kg (torpedo included) Diameter 0.46 m Length 6 m (torpedo included) Sylver 70 would need a diameter over three times that needed for Astor 30 (0.18m) 'Sylver could eventually accommodate ANF supersonic anti-ship cruise missile, Standard and ESSM anti-air missiles, ASROC anti-submarine rocket, Tomahawk and SCALP Naval cruise missiles.' FROM: link Could. Eventually. Sigh.
 
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neutralizer    RE:Improving Sylver/T-45/T-23   1/24/2006 3:48:48 AM
Good to see that brochure engineering is alive and well.
 
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