600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines

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Yimmy RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/1/2006 8:58:12 PM

I can't see that happening. Firstly, is there even a requirement for an extra marine commando? Secondly, given that all 600 would need do the Commando course, how would it be easier than recruiting civiliians?

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Exemplo Ducemus RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/1/2006 10:37:48 PM

Firstly: The Comdt General RM stated the operational requirement for a fourth Commando in the magazine interview some months previously. I read the article and mention was made of it on this site. No authoratitive source in the UK media or elsewhere has ever rebutted the General. Secondly, whilst it would place some strain on Lympestone (Cdo Trg Centre) to have 600 pongos undergo the 4 weeks All Arms Cdo Course (currently undertaken by aspiring Army Cdos) I believe that this would be less so than recruiting 1000 plus (allowing for wastage)for the 26 plus weeks RM Cdo recruit training. Thirdly, in recent years the UK has invested heavily in replacing and improving its amphibious lift capability. They may now have the shipping to move four Cdos.

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neutralizer RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/2/2006 1:14:34 AM

From assorted sources it would appear that it will be one on the designated lt inf role bns, and will be one of the 5 bns of The Rifles. They, of course, have 5 bns from which to find the bodies and get them thru the AACC. No doubt RM will boost the course staff to cope with the extra load (already going up to cope with a second cdo sqn RE). Having 4 cdo trained 'bns' provides high assurance that 3 Cdo Bde will have 3 available at any time.

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Exemplo Ducemus RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/2/2006 2:46:01 AM

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perfectgeneral RE:4th Bn, 3 Cdo Bde, RM and support units 1/2/2006 1:36:16 PM

Would there be a pro rata increase elsewhere in the Brigade? The first that comes to mind is a fourth battery of 105 mm light guns within 29 Cdo Regiment Royal Artillery to provide fire support. Otherwise they will be "light." If they are there to work on a rota, then only extra personnel for 29 Cdo Reg, RA would be needed. They could use existing guns. I would expect that all supporting units would increase by 33% though.

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neutralizer RE:4th Bn, 3 Cdo Bde, RM and support units 1/2/2006 10:14:20 PM

I wouldn't expect any significant increase in supporting arms and services. There's no increase in the other 2 'light' bdes to reflect their 4th bns (or fmn recce regts), apart from perhaps a few fwd obsn bodies and in 16 AAB case a small arty avn tac group that is mostly concerned with spt to AH. A fourth 'cdo' merely gives the bde a reserve, it means that if an operation comes up and one cdo is assigned elsewhere then there are still 3 available, if they deploy they with 4 then one operates as bde reserve, changing with one of the others if necessary and taking over its DS bty, for low intensity there are 4 cdos all doing much the same thing and arty may also be operating as inf. 3 Cdo Bde already has the services of a specialised obsn bty which operates with any part of the bde incl BRF, as independent parties if necessary and could assign obsvrs to a coy of the 4th cdo if it was sent on some indep task. A more interesting question is whether an army cdo will adopt the RM cdo organisation.

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interestedamateur RE:4th Bn, 3 Cdo Bde, RM and support units 1/3/2006 6:31:03 AM

There's been no official announcement still about an Army Btn going to 3 Bde, but rumour on the Arsse website has it that it will be 1st Btn The Rifles in 2007. No news on whether this btn wil adopt the Cdo structure, but I would think that it would make sense to do so. There has been nothing on beefing up support units so this won't probably happen. The aim of this is to provide a round out Btn for 3 Bde, which is being worked very hard, and suffering from poor retention as a result. An interesting point is whether the Navy can actually lift 4 btns and their equipment. The available shipping is currently: 1 x LPH 2 x LPD 4 x ALSL 1 x LSL 2 x AO Even if a 2nd Invincable carrier is used to provide extra lift (as it was in GW2) I would think that they won't be able to lift all of the transport unless they go for STUFT.

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Exemplo Ducemus RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/3/2006 6:50:03 AM

A few months ago I read one of Worcester's posts on this site - always stimulating - in which he carefully laid out where under the reorganisation of the infantry all the battalions would be allocated. Everything seemed to hang together and I can't for the life of me see where a surplus battalion of Rifles (or whoeverelse) will be found to be sent to the Royals. Will this 4th Pongo Battalion be a temporary move until the marines ramp up their recruiting or a permanent measure.... Any thoughts? An afterthought, no doubt post reorganisation The Rifles will be retaining their Rifle Green berets of the Light Divison - will they have to change headress to the booties green which I believe to be a slightly different shade?

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Yimmy RE:600 British Army personnel to be transferred to 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines 1/3/2006 10:31:51 AM

If they undertake the all arms commando course they will earn themselves the RM berret.

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perfectgeneral You are ordered to be Elite! 1/3/2006 5:29:19 PM

I'm not sure how putting 1st Bn Rifles through the commando course guarentees 600 RM commandos out the other side. If they wanted to be in the RM they would have joined. If they are ordered to be in the RM they still have to pass. Or will this be RM lite? The Rifles Commando Bn? I doubt that all 4 Bn are expected to deploy at the same time. This is more about reducing overstretch on the RM. I am interested in the maximum deployment possible with our current amphib assets though. Vehicles would certainly be the limiting factor, but we do have 6 Ro-Ro to call upon.

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