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Subject: America's Shouda Role In the World
CJH    9/17/2005 3:40:19 PM
In his "America's Real War", Rabbi Daniel Lapin likens the US to ancient Israel of the Bible. Orthodox Christian doctrine as I understand it holds that God had intended ancient Israel to help reveal Him to the world. This although Israel finally disqualified itself on grounds of disobedience to God.

Although I had not seen America that way before, this began to make a certain amount of sense. God did bless this country sufficient to make it a central power in the world with the ability to give His revelation unprecedented exposure.

We have sent out evangelists and missionaries to a field where the harvest is plentiful but we also have brought a lot that would lead people away from God. Our sports and entertainment media, for example, have enough examples of idol worship to make ours look like a godless nation.

And abortion could be arguably seen to be an example of child sacrifice made to a sexual worship/fertility god much like that practiced by the Canaanites of Joshua's day. When Israel stormed the first city in Canaan, Jericho, they put the entire population (with the exception of one household) to the sword. God had commanded them that when they took a city in the land He was giving them, they were to kill "everything that breaths".

So the question is, did God prepare the USA to spread His word throughout the world and to be an example of Godly living to the world ? And also, have we pretty well messed that up?

The Bible tells how God led the sons of Israel into Canaan to completely exterminate the native Canaanite population as God's judgement on its religious practices. The Bible also tells of how Israel began to engage in idol worship and was finally scattered and/or taken into captivity in a foreign land. So there is also the question of God's eventual coming judgement on the USA. Actually, I believe it has already begun and is different from, say, Katrina and 9/11 which are relatively insignificant events. I believe "the breakdown of society" as people have called it for 30/40 years is part of the opening round of a judgement which will get progressively more serious.
 
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timon_phocas    RE:America's Shouda Role In the World   9/18/2005 12:17:37 AM
Abraham Lincoln - "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right" I do not know the mind of God. We can know some of God's purposes for Israel because they are recorded in the Bible. Even these are constantly debated. Are they literal or allegorical? Have these purposes and promises been fulfilled in the church of the Messiah, or will they be redeemed for today?s Children of Israel? The Chinese have a saying that goes, "Prophecy is always difficult, especially when it deals with the future." So it is with the prophecies about Israel. God's purposes for the United States have not been explicitly recorded in Scripture. So every hypothesis is simply hypothesis. What bothers me, however, is a little phrase that I see on souvenirs that my relatives brought back from World War II in Europe. ?Gott Mit Uns?, is that phrase. I see it on belt buckles and helmets of German army uniforms. It is a fragment from Romans, chapter 8, verse 31: ?If God is with us, who can be against us?? It was the battle cry of German Lutheran armies in their battles against the Catholic armies of the Holy Roman Empire. It survived through the centuries, ending up on the army uniforms of Nazi Germany; a fragment of a vanished, godly heritage. My fear is that, having left our devout past, we will simply substitute ?In God We Trust? for ?Gott Mit Uns? as our empty slogan, and just worship power.
 
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CJH    RE:America's Shouda Role In the World   9/18/2005 5:09:00 PM
My take on the Bible is that it is God's revelation to the world about himself and that it tells us who He is and what He wants. I know there are differing opinions on the Bible but I try to take the perspective that God is active, personal, sovereign and moving in the world. I see Him as having a character and intentions as revealed to us in scripture and that therefore we should be able to deduce, roughly, how He will react to what He sees in the world as well as in the US. The Bible tells of a great number of judgments against nations and individuals where God was acting on His reasons. For instance, God promised Abraham in Genesis 12:3 that those who blessed his seed God would bless and those who cursed them God would curse. When you look down through history, you see a trail of nations who suffered, were humiliated or were destroyed who had cursed Abraham's seed. England expelled the Jews in, I believe, after the great plague of the 1350s. It suffered a very turbulent history after that. Cromwell opened England to Jewish immigration in the mid seventeenth century and England prospered and got its dynastic house in order. Spain had its inquisition while it was a global power and then shrank to the point where England and France warred over who got to put a ruler on the Spanish throne. The ancient Canaanites sacrificed their children by burning. It is called "making them walk through fire" in the Bible. God judged them. God does not change. We are, in a matter of speaking, practicing child sacrifice today. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect God's judgment on us I believe.
 
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CJH    RE:America's Shouda Role In the World   9/18/2005 7:38:36 PM
I take a translation of ?Gott Mit Uns? to be something like "God With Us". It is all too typical of us human beings to be frivilous towards God's name. I'm not presenting what I believe to be a certainty. Rather, I am presenting it as something perhaps worth considering and as something I personally believe based on what I have read in the Bible. To me it's analagous to the disaster in New Orleans. They knew the city was sinking and that given the probability of a major hurricane crossing the city, the city would eventually get swamped. As long as no such hurricane hit, it was possible for people shrug off the warnings and rationalize the threat away or minimize it. It took decades but the predictions at long last came true. I might note that Romans 8:31 is a coninuation of a passage beginning with verse 28, paraphrasing, - "For we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son that He might be the first born among many brethren...". It is unsettling that a propaganda slogan like ?Gott Mit Uns? with its historical baggage would be associated with Romans 8:28.
 
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timon_phocas    RE:America's Shouda Role In the World   9/18/2005 8:07:57 PM
>>I know there are differing opinions on the Bible but I try to take the perspective that God is active, personal, sovereign and moving in the world.<< As do I >>The Bible tells of a great number of judgments against nations and individuals where God was acting on His reasons. For instance, God promised Abraham in Genesis 12:3 that those who blessed his seed God would bless and those who cursed them God would curse.<< In general, absolutely. It is extremely tough to prove specific instances of this in action outside of Biblical examples. Within the Bible, as in the book of Exodus or Esther, the Author explains the purpose and mechanism. When we are reduced to history, these mechanisms and purposes are much harder to establish. Let's look at some of your examples. >>England expelled the Jews in, I believe, after the great plague of the 1350s. It suffered a very turbulent history after that.<< Edward I expelled the Jews from England in 1290. This was just before England reached the zenith of its medieval power in the Hundred Years War. As for q turbulent history, I am not aware of any place in the world where history is anything other than a catalogue of violence. >>Cromwell opened England to Jewish immigration in the mid seventeenth century and England prospered and got its dynastic house in order.<< Cromwell allowed Jews back into England in 1657. He reigned until his death in 1659. The Restoration occurred in 1660. Then there was the Glorious Revolution of 1688, followed by the rule of Queen Mary and William of Orange. The various Jacobite and Irish revolutions troubled those times. Queen Anne followed William and Mary, but she died without issue, causing the throne to be offered to the House of Hanover. So it took almost 60 years for England to establish dynastic stability after Cromwell?s admission of Jews. >>Spain had its inquisition while it was a global power and then shrank to the point where England and France warred over who got to put a ruler on the Spanish throne.<< Ferdinand and Isabella issued their edict to expel the Jews from Spain on the day that Columbus set sail in his first voyage of discovery to the Americas. It was after this expulsion that Spain rose to assume the kind of power in the 1500?s that America holds today. Current history sees it as the marriage of a military forged in the Reconquista with the wealth of the New World. >>The ancient Canaanites sacrificed their children by burning. It is called "making them walk through fire" in the Bible. God judged them. God does not change. We are, in a matter of speaking, practicing child sacrifice today. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect God's judgment on us I believe.<< The translations I am familiar with call it, 'Passing through the Fire', but yes. It is a hideous scourge. Perhaps we are being judged. I think that one part of that judgement could be that our society is morphing into something profoundly different as all those unborn children are being replaced by immigrants who do not know our heritage or culture.
 
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timon_phocas    RE:America's Shouda Role In the World   9/18/2005 8:51:40 PM
>>I take a translation of ?Gott Mit Uns? to be something like "God With Us". It is all too typical of us human beings to be frivilous towards God's name.<< ?Gott Mit Uns? is an old German, Lutheran phrase. It is in Martin Luther?s hymns, part of his seminal influence on German culture. It comes from the latter part of Romans 8:31, and is a fragment of ?If God be with us, who can be against us?? In hymns it is used lyrically both positively and as a contrast (?if God was not with us?). It was included in some of Gustavus Adolfus medals (1630?s). It was incorporated into the German Imperial standard in 1870 and part of German Army uniforms in World Wars One and Two.
 
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