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Subject: Did the British Naval Blockade Decide the War n the West?
CJH    6/19/2005 4:26:06 PM
I have read and generally believe that although the collapse of the German will to stay in the war may be explained in terms of a reaction to the British landing at Salonika or to events in the Balkans or explained by a collapse of civilian leadership in Germany, etc, the real underlying cause was the four year naval blockade of Germany by the British Royal Navy. Did the British Royal Navy blockade win the war with Germany?
 
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Clackers       2/28/2008 7:22:15 PM
Linking!
 
Here's the list:
 
  • Afghanistan Civil War
  • Algeria Civil War
  • Angola vrs Rebels (ceasefire December 1994)
  • Azerbaydzhan Civil War
  • Bahrain Civil Unrest
  • Bolivia vrs Drug Cartels
  • Bosnia Civil War
  • Bougainville vrs Papua New Guinea (started 1988, ended 1994)
  • Burma Military Coup (1988)
  • Burundi Civil War
  • Cambodia Civil War
  • Canada vrs Quebec Separatists
  • Colombia vrs Drug Cartels
  • East Timor vrs Indonesia (started 1974, major massacre 1991)
  • Ecuador vrs Peru (border dispute)
  • France vrs Algerian Terrorists
  • France vrs Corsican Separatists
  • Gambia Military Coup (July 14, 1994)
  • Georgia vrs Akatazan (started 1991)
  • Haiti
  • India vrs Nagastan (started 1955)
  • India vrs Pakistan over Casmir Region of India
  • Israel vrs Lebanon
  • Israel vrs Palestinians
  • Italy vrs Mafia
  • Liberia (started 1989, ceasefire August 1995
  • Libya vrs Chad (ended May 94)
  • Mexico vrs Zapatista Rebels
  • Mozambique Civil War (ended 1993)
  • North vrs South Korea
  • North vrs South Yemen (started May 1994 ended July 1994)
  • Northern Ireland vrs United Kingdom
  • Peru vrs Drug Cartels
  • Peru vrs Rebels
  • Philippines vrs Moslem Rebels (started 1986, ended 1996)
  • Russia vrs Tschneya (ceasefire)
  • Rwanda Civil War (ended July 15, 1994 followed by severe refugee crisis)
  • Saudi Arabia vrs Yemen (friction)
  • Sierra Leone vrs Rebels
  • Somalia Civil War
  • Spain vrs Basque Rebels (started 1959)
  • Sri Lanka vrs Tamil Rebels (ceasefire January 1995)
  • Sudan Civil War
  • Turkey vrs Greece (especially over Cyprus)
  • Turkey vrs Kurdish Rebels
  • USA vrs Iraq
 
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Herald12345       2/29/2008 2:15:02 AM
Linking!
 
Here's the list:
 
  • Afghanistan Civil War [proxy war that ended in the Taliban-overthrown by a SEAPOWER circa 2001] 
  • Algeria Civil War [ended when France withdrew via sea]
  • Angola vrs Rebels (ceasefire December 1994) [Russia supplied weapons via SEA].
  • Azerbaydzhan Civil War [Russian intervention involved Caspian Sea flotilla]
  • Bahrain Civil Unrest [Ended by NAVAL pressure on trade]
  • Bolivia vrs Drug Cartels [war lost as that governement is now in the hands of the drug cartels and a Chavez stooge. landlocked Bolivia hasn't been subjected to seapower-yet]
  • Bosnia Civil War [won by NATO through seapower]
  • Bougainville vrs Papua New Guinea (started 1988, ended 1994) [Australia intervened-seapower] 
  • Burma Military Coup (1988) [At present the Burmese are under fierce trade pressure and are propped up at enormous expense by PRC bandits-seapower versus landpower-erosion of the regime continues] 
  • Burundi Civil War [Ongoing the lanmdlocked country is hard to reach, but what peace there is has been inflicted by seapowers demanding a politiocal settlement. 
  • Cambodia Civil War [Mekong river was the invasion route Vietnam used to overthrow Pol Pot. Close enough for naval work]
  • Canada vrs Quebec Separatists [US is leaning hard on Canada] 
  • Colombia vrs Drug Cartels [US Navy and US Coast Guard blockade. US Army in country supported by sea]
  • East Timor vrs Indonesia (started 1974, major massacre 1991) [Australia intervenes  and thwarts Indonesia-SEAPOWER]  
  • Ecuador vrs Peru (border dispute) {US knocks heads together and imposes settlement-SEAPOWER]
  • France vrs Algerian Terrorists[France is a naval joke]
  • France vrs Corsican Separatists[IBID]
  • Gambia Military Coup (July 14, 1994) [Irrelevant it wasn't worth blockading as the domestic coup worked itself out satisfactorally]
  • Georgia vrs Akatazan (started 1991)
  • Haiti {SEAPOWER US now runs the place]
  • India vrs Nagastan (started 1955) [You mean Pakistan? Pakistan repeatedly defeated by a combination of land actions and BLOCKADE Cref how East Pakistan became Bengladesh] 
  • India vrs Pakistan over Casmir Region of India [1971 war SEAPOWER Operation TRIDENT]
  • Israel vrs Lebanon [Hizbollah defeated  IDF Navy successfully turned back attempted Iranian arms shipments and blockaded Lebanon.]   
  • Israel vrs Palestinians [Israel continues to force the Palestinians to conform. Blockades along the Mwediterranean and the River Jordan confine the bozos to a desperate smuggling route through E
 
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bob the brit       2/29/2008 9:47:34 AM


Linking!

 

Here's the list:

 



  • Afghanistan Civil War [proxy war that ended in the Taliban-overthrown by a SEAPOWER circa 2001] 

  • Algeria Civil War [ended when France withdrew via sea]

  • Angola vrs Rebels (ceasefire December 1994) [Russia supplied weapons via SEA].

  • Azerbaydzhan Civil War [Russian intervention involved Caspian Sea flotilla]

  • Bahrain Civil Unrest [Ended by NAVAL pressure on trade]

  • Bolivia vrs Drug Cartels [war lost as that governement is now in the hands of the drug cartels and a Chavez stooge. landlocked Bolivia hasn't been subjected to seapower-yet]

  • Bosnia Civil War [won by NATO through seapower]

  • Bougainville vrs Papua New Guinea (started 1988, ended 1994) [Australia intervened-seapower] 

  • Burma Military Coup (1988) [At present the Burmese are under fierce trade pressure and are propped up at enormous expense by PRC bandits-seapower versus landpower-erosion of the regime continues] 

  • Burundi Civil War [Ongoing the lanmdlocked country is hard to reach, but what peace there is has been inflicted by seapowers demanding a politiocal settlement. 

  • Cambodia Civil War [Mekong river was the invasion route Vietnam used to overthrow Pol Pot. Close enough for naval work]

  • Canada vrs Quebec Separatists [US is leaning hard on Canada] 

  • Colombia vrs Drug Cartels [US Navy and US Coast Guard blockade. US Army in country supported by sea]

  • East Timor vrs Indonesia (started 1974, major massacre 1991) [Australia intervenes  and thwarts Indonesia-SEAPOWER]  

  • Ecuador vrs Peru (border dispute) {US knocks heads together and imposes settlement-SEAPOWER]

  • France vrs Algerian Terrorists[France is a naval joke]

  • France vrs Corsican Separatists[IBID]

  • Gambia Military Coup (July 14, 1994) [Irrelevant it wasn't worth blockading as the domestic coup worked itself out satisfactorally]

  • Georgia vrs Akatazan (started 1991)

  • Haiti {SEAPOWER US now runs the place]

  • India vrs Nagastan (started 1955) [You mean Pakistan? Pakistan repeatedly defeated by a combination of land actions and BLOCKADE Cref how East Pakistan became Bengladesh] 

  • India vrs Pakistan over Casmir Region of India [1971 war SEAPOWER Operation TRIDENT]

  • Israel vrs Lebanon [Hizbollah defeated  IDF Navy successfully turned back attempted Iranian arms shipments and blockaded Lebanon.]   

  • Israel vrs Palestinians [Israel continues to force the
 
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bob the brit       2/29/2008 9:49:24 AM
no mahan ofcourse, but he takes his principles and puts them into history.
 
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CJH    Bolivia   3/2/2008 1:36:51 PM
As I understand it, emnity towards Chile still exists in Bolivia over its loss of its only coastal province to Chile in the War of the Pacific (Peru and Bolivia vs Chile). Chile, with its developed economy has a difficulty obtaining abundant and cheap energy since its neighbor Bolivia with its natural gas resources does not want provide these to Chile.
 
Anyway, Chile's victory in the War of the Pacific was achieved through the use of sea power - "At the Battle of Iquique (then in Peru, now in Chile), on May 21, 1879, the Peruvians suffered the loss of one of their best warships, the Independencia; the Huáscar was then sunk on October 8, and this eventual surrender of control of the sea permitted a Chilean army to land on the Peruvian coast." link
 
Also, link
"Land Campaign and Invasion
Amphibious and land operations in the war. (Borderline of 2007)

Having gained control of the sea, the Chilean Army started the invasion of Peru. Bolivia, unable to recover the Litoral province, joined the Peruvian defence of Tarapacá and Tacna. However many Bolivians would abandon their allies in the heat of the battle, demoralizing both armies.

On 2 November... 1879..., naval bombardment and amphibious assaults were carried out at the small port of Pisagua and the Junín Cove ?some 500 km North of Antofagasta. At Pisagua, several landing waves totalling 2,100 troops attacked beach defenses held by 1,160 Allies and took the town; the landing at Junín was smaller and almost unsuccessful. By the end of the day, General Erasmo Escala and a Chilean army of 10,000 were ashore and moving inland, isolating the province of Tarapacá from the rest of Peru and cutting off General Juan Buendía's 1st Southern Army from reinforcements."
 
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Clackers       3/3/2008 11:39:34 PM
Genuinely shameful response, Herald.
 
I stopped at the first three on your list where you've got your navies controlling the earth - Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola. I really couldn't take any more.
 
The first country is landlocked, in the other two the side with the bigger naval support lost.
 
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Herald12345       3/14/2008 1:05:47 PM
The planet is a battlespace covered by 74% water and 100% air. I point out that 90% of Humanity lives within reach of the United States Navy.

I'm sorry that you don't have the grounding in geography,  industrial technology, or the military history backgrounds to understand how the ability to sustain an air campaign from aircraft carriers in the Indian Ocean over Afghanistan can lead to the direct defeat of the Taliban, or controlling the flow of fertilizer across the oceans of the Earth can squeeze Burundi to comply, but then  I already noted you don't know much about SEAPOWER.

Have a nice day.

Herald    
 
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Clackers       3/28/2008 10:34:59 PM
It saddens me to see you must have been serious about your original list, Herald ... I'm not sure how you expect any of us to view it when for example, in the fight against the Mafia you don't talk about the Italian government, the police, the judges, the Caribinieri, the turncoats or the citizens of Naples, but ... predictably ... just your ship obsession ...
 
Yes, have a nice day ...
 
 
 
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Herald12345       4/13/2008 3:43:48 PM

It saddens me to see you must have been serious about your original list, Herald ... I'm not sure how you expect any of us to view it when for example, in the fight against the Mafia you don't talk about the Italian government, the police, the judges, the Caribinieri, the turncoats or the citizens of Naples, but ... predictably ... just your ship obsession ...

 

Yes, have a nice day ...

 Typical nit pick tactic adopted by the losing amateur, when he cannot refute the central argument.

In the case of the Mafia, the specific application is interdiction in drug trafficking and smuggling in the air and at sea internationally. Seapower influences even crime, cretin.

Standard salutation to one who has earned a standard salutation from me.

 
Herald
 
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Clackers       4/17/2008 9:21:46 PM
I have printed your list out for when my mates need a good laugh, Admiral, so it's not a total waste! 
 
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