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geojoe RE:A Must Read Letter from the 101st Airborne - I'm Tired 7/24/2006 3:21:44 AM

what else are you tired of colonel? are you tired of the the army you love being used as the enforcement arm of pure unadulterated capitalist greed? are you tired of american men and women having their arms and legs ripped from their bodies so that a few families can assure their wealth for generations to come? I'll tell you what i'm tired of sir, i'm tired of americans falling for the rhetoric coming from our supposed leaders like "cut and run." i'm tired of empty policy and i'm tired of watching countless veterans coming home to nothing but a meaningless thank you and good luck from an ungrateful administration that sends them to a war predicated on lie after lie. But mostly what i'm tired of is having people defend a war that has thoroughly destroyed was once a great military force. If you don't believe this just talk to a few of the fine sergeants serving in south korea that are forced to buy their own field gear from korean pawn shops off base because of the equipment shortages that have been caused by the meaningless fiasco in iraq. And while you are at it, talk to them about the severe lack of NCO leadership in the infantry units and how soldiers that are sent to korea for a one year tour are involuntarily extended so they have to serve for 18 months or more. I'll tell you what I'M tired of...i'm tired of the blind unblinking patriotism that has allowed a greedy and self serving political administration to use this generation of americans as their hired gunmen and i'm tired of the blind obedience. Instead of being tired of seeing americans question the war why don't you take a precious second of your time to actually find out what they are saying and why. And mostly colonel, if you want to talk about someone not learning from history i think you should go back to the book yourself and realize that the flag waving rhetoric coming from the whitehouse is almost word for word the same rhetoric that was coming from the same house all those years ago in vietnam. Your leaders are not interested in your well being, why should you be interested in theirs?

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SFC MAC RE:A Must Read Letter from the 101st Airborne - I'm Tired 7/24/2006 11:43:59 AM

Hey geojoe: I'm tired of sniveling twits like you. Prepare for a verbal "wall-to-wall" counseling: We all know how difficult it is for you with your post-election trauma and the weekly trips to your therapist, but the rest of America is getting sick and tired of your pissing, moaning, and imbecilic regurgitations ie: "Bush Lied". If you removed your head from your "fifth point of contact" you might get that clue you so desperately need. Newsflash America is safer now than it was during Bubba Clinton?s regime. God knows the son-of-a bitch tried like hell to eviscerate the military and national security. He and algore (one word) used the Oval Office as their personal conduit for unethical, immoral and illegal activities. His Chinese/Indonesian friends Charlie Trie, John Huang, and James Riady bought the 1996 ?election? in exchange for information on, among other items, classified satellite technology, He illegally obtained FBI files on political adversaries, and fired the Travel Office and threatened them with surveillance if they talked. Bubba?s callous indifference to the terrorist attacks on his watch; the first attack on the World Trade center, Khobar Towers, and the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania gave al Qaida a green light. Oh, wait, he did have a response--a wag-the-dog bombing of Kosovo and an aspirin factory in Iraq. Abetted by lap-dog Janet Reno?s obstruction of justice, Clinton flushed the integrity of the Office as well as national security down the toilet, and not a peep out of you liberal blockheads. If you want to rant about "lies", you can start with the ones told by John Kerry before Congress in 1971 during the so-called "Winter Soldier Investigation". Kerry denigrated his fellow veterans with fabricated tales about atrocities he never witnessed, and hopped into the political sack with Jane Fonda, and the V.V.A.W. (Vietnam Veterans Against the War); a wonderful organization that voted on whether to commit political assassinations during a November 1971 meeting. He also traveled to Hanoi, shook hands with the VC, and offered his support. His picture still hangs in the Ho Chi Mihn museum. His "war hero" personna has some flaws. The embellished circumstances involving his Purple Hearts and his subsequent behavior are clearly indicative of lack of character, integrity, and the leadership it takes to be a Commander-In-Chief. He shouldn?t have been a Senator, let alone Presidential candidate. Hussein filled hundreds of mass graves with men, women and children, slaughtered 5000 Kurds with ?non-existent? chemical weapons. He thumbed his nose at the pusillanimous UN for 12 years, while he continued to research, develop, and hide the evidence of his WMD program. In addition, Iraqi intelligence met with al Qadea operatives and he provided them with training camps in Northern Iraq. Both Afghanistan and Iraq had connections to al Qadea and the 911 Commission Report states those points unequivocally. Not that you care. The inane ?Bush lied? mantra of the left grew stale a long time ago. Looks like you plum forgot about these gems: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998. "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998. "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. given aid, c Gonna call them liars too, sweetpea? Bin Laden?s Islamofascist thugs who slaughtered 3000 Americans on 9/11 and would gladly subject you, and the rest of the planet to their oppressive theocracy. Going after them in Iraq and Afghanistan is a damned good start. You?re comprised of pseudo-anarchists, nihilists, and spineless MoveOn.org sycophants who would never let the facts get in the way of a good Bush bashing. The adults, thank God, are still in charge of the country. You ought to follow the lead, remove the nose rings and grow up. Dedicated, brave Soldiers of the United States Army are fighting and sacrificing their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan so that ingrates like you won?t have to worry about another 3000 deaths on this soil. Be thankful for the freedoms you enjoy and that we are out front protecting them. SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY 28 July 2005 SFC Cheryl McElroy says: I have respect for anyone who served honorably, including President Bush. You must be real disappointed about the forged ?RatherGate? papers. Bush served out his commitment. He did not go AWOL. BTW: Kerry has yet to fulfill his promise to sign an SF 180 for release of his questionable records. I?d like to know how much time he actually spent in Cambodia. Funny how ?activists? pervert their brand of ?dissent? into ?patriotism?. If that?s the case, Sean ?Baghdad? Penn should be nominated for Citizen of the Year. What you?re doing is not constructive dissent. Dissent is when you stand up to with bona fide institutionalized oppression. Like the students at Tianenmen Square. Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Petitioning the government for redress???? For what grievance?? No one is oppressing your right to spew your hate. You vent freely without fear of retribution. The only consequence is people like me who respond with counterpoints to your ?opinions?. Bush maladministration? You had 8 years of a Clinton maladministration who used the White House as a conduit for Chinese cash, illegally obtained FBI files, perjury and philandering. He wiped his ass with the Constitution, and not a peep out of you leftist blockheads. You didn?t pop up on the radar screen until after Bubba vacated. I?ve seen first hand in Iraq how our foreign policy is working. The ?jihadists? are scared less. They don?t want democracy anywhere in the Middle East. Better to fight them there than here. For the record, Wilson?s wife was well known as a CIA employee by her friends, neighbors, and most likely the milkman, too. She told everybody. Her employment was no secret. Nice try. Bin Laden, alive and free? Depends on your view. Again, would you want to be bin Laden right now? ?Bush ?let? Afghan forces allow bin Laden to escape?? In your little imaginary world of tactical experience, there?s no difference between conducting a battle in the mountains bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan, and a country (Sudan) who knew where he was and offered him on a silver platter. And by 50,000 I mean the brown, swarthy, Middle Eastern terrorists we?ve killed or captured. What? No sympathy for all the ?white people? killed on 9/11? Here?s the link to General Keane?s (USA RET) comments: link 8711r.htm The Pentagon gives a lesser number, but my sources give a number closer to his. Re-read the part where I pointed out the multitude of Hussein?s violations of the UN Resolutions. His WMD program continued right under the nose of the UN for 12 years. And the ?Oil for Food? Program sure was a hoot wasn?t it? Kofi Anan, his son, and several other corrupt members of the UN made a killing off of kickbacks. If you bothered to read the Resolutions, you?d understand that UN Security Council resolution 1441 gave us the absolute authority to use force to make him comply. Again, we did what the UN would not: rid the planet of a WMD wielding megalomaniac, and kill some terrorists to boot. The Resolution made it pretty clear. You really ought to read it yourself sometime: link UN_...Resolution_1441 The Iraqi people have a fledgling representative government for the first time in their existence. They can voice their opinion, vote, and not worry about Hussein?s sons feeding them feet first into a wood chipper. We?ve also put a dent the size of the Grand Canyon into al Qaida operations. Not bad for being ?poorly planned?. As for cutting taxes, any time the government cuts my taxes is a good thing. You wanna pay more? Go ahead. Send your next paycheck to the IRS, with my blessing. What?s such a ?shortfall? about supporting the VA? The money is for veterans. What?s your major malfunction with that? I never said the HUMVEE wasn?t fine. I addressed your accusation of a lack of armored vehicles, to which I pointed out that the HUMVEEs are armored. Try reading. ?377 tons is a very small percentage of 250,000 tons.? It?s still a substantial amount. And incidentally, since we?re on the subject of numbers, check out the Russian contribution: link 4822r.htm This Iraq veteran can unequivocally state that Soldiers voted for Bush in overwhelming numbers. You ought to read what some vets said about Jean Francois Kerry. I just read a Gallup Poll that put support for us at 53% The facts are not misleading. Hussein had WMD, violated every Resolution enacted by the UN and had ties to al Qaida. Where?d you get your ?polls? from? MoveOn.org? Well, lessee?according to your own self-description, you?re into ?progressive politics, atheist / secular / humanist philosophy, anti-war activism, drug policy reform, strange and odd world events, popular culture, music, television, sports, comedy, and anything else that piques my curiosity.? Apparently, the only thing that doesn?t pique your curiosity is the terrorist threat. Not socialist? Your personal litany comes straight from Mother Jones, for Christ sakes. If it walks and talks like a duck?. And I read quite a bit about what the liberals had to say after 9/11. Didn?t take long before the ?blame America?, apologists came crawling out from underneath their rocks. Osama was real proud. So much for the ?patriotism? of the left. Clinton?s lackadaisical attitude, including the missed chances he had to nab bin Laden resulted in giving al Qaida the ok to keep up the attacks?with disastrous consequences. Even Bubba admits he was wrong: link 115514.shtml Number of retaliatory strikes against terrorists during Bubba?s tenure: 0 Number of retaliatory strikes and all-around ass kicking during Bush?s administration: In the thousands. 50,000 dead and captured terrorists and growing. Given the mess Bubba left behind and what kind of joke Kerry would have been, we have a strong, decisive President. Has ?Ahmed? shown up at your house yet? Trust me, you?re safe. Gore lost Florida and the Electoral College went to Bush. Period. Some of the most leftist rags in the country (including the NYT) came to the same conclusion. Bottom line: Bush won the 2000 election by 527 votes in the swing state of Florida (2,912,790 for Bush 2,912,253 for Gore) and 25 electoral college votes. He won the 2004 election by about 5 million popular votes and 34 electoral collage votes. You can count to your little moonbat heart?s content; the math won?t change. On the democratic statements reference WMD: Given your political proclivities, I should think that acknowledgement on the part of the democrats would have provided all the credibility you need. Aside from that, there?s a mountain of evidence to support the very concerns we had about Hussein?s WMD. He had them, he continued research and development, and his duplicitous efforts in spite of the U.N. continued unabated. Your hackneyed arguments don?t hold up to the facts. Freedom ain?t free, and as far-fetched as it sounds, people die in war. As for your yellowcake comment: You want to bring moonbat Clintonista Joe Wilson into the equation now? His little boondoggle to Niger and his subsequent claims have been discredited ad naseaum. His wife (who incidentally was NOT undercover), not Karl Rove, played a big part in sending him there. A bipartisan committee concluded that Wilson?s own findings served to support the yellowcake activity, and exposed Wilson as a liar: link ID=18798 link ID=14638 Going after terrorists wherever they are is a damned good start. We are doing just that in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clinton had his eye on the prize, but was too busy collecting Chinese cash and getting mouth-to crotch resuscitation to care. Trust me, if bin Laden had his way, he?d subject more than just women to Sharia Law. You wouldn?t get to construct your cute little blog, without approval. Here?s my prediction: As long as Bush is in office, we will continue to thwart future plots against this country. You will remain safe and cozy in front of your keyboard pounding away your contrived frustrations and wailing to the sky about ?a needless war against the misunderstood terrorists". I don?t care how many terrorists we kill, so you got at least that part correct. The object of war, as Patton so aptly said: is to ?Make the other dumb bastard die for his country?. (50,000 so far) We should spend as much money as it takes. This isn?t ?Bush?s War?. It?s America?s war, sweetpea. They attacked us, or have you forgotten? Tell you what, Russ, I am glad you?re out of the Army. Potential AWOL ?conscientious objectors? like you would be a liability. SFC (don?t call me ?Ma?am? I work for a living) McElroy

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SFC MAC Hey Geojoe: corrected response 7/24/2006 11:48:20 AM

Newsflash geojoe: America is safer now than it was during your buddy Bubba Clinton?s regime. God knows the son-of-a bitch tried like hell to eviscerate the military and national security. He and algore (one word) used the Oval Office as their personal conduit for unethical, immoral and illegal activities. His Chinese/Indonesian friends Charlie Trie, John Huang, and James Riady bought the 1996 ?election? in exchange for information on, among other items, classified satellite technology, He illegally obtained FBI files on political adversaries, and fired the Travel Office and threatened them with surveillance if they talked. Bubba?s callous indifference to the terrorist attacks on his watch; the first attack on the World Trade center, Khobar Towers, and the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania gave al Qaida a green light. Oh, wait, he did have a response--a wag-the-dog bombing of Kosovo and an aspirin factory in Iraq. Abetted by lap-dog Janet Reno?s obstruction of justice, Clinton flushed the integrity of the Office as well as national security down the toilet, and not a peep out of you liberal bags. If you want to rant about "lies", you can start with the ones told by John Kerry before Congress in 1971 during the so-called "Winter Soldier Investigation". Kerry denigrated his fellow veterans with fabricated tales about atrocities he never witnessed, and hopped into the political sack with Jane Fonda, and the V.V.A.W. (Vietnam Veterans Against the War); a wonderful organization that voted on whether to commit political assassinations during a November 1971 meeting. He also traveled to Hanoi, shook hands with the VC, and offered his support. His picture still hangs in the Ho Chi Mihn museum. His "war hero" personna has some flaws. The embellished circumstances involving his Purple Hearts and his subsequent behavior are clearly indicative of lack of character, integrity, and the leadership it takes to be a Commander-In-Chief. He shouldn?t have been a Senator, let alone Presidential candidate. Hussein filled hundreds of mass graves with men, women and children, slaughtered 5000 Kurds with ?non-existent? chemical weapons. He thumbed his nose at the pusillanimous UN for 12 years, while he continued to research, develop, and hide the evidence of his WMD program. In addition, Iraqi intelligence met with al Qadea operatives and he provided them with training camps in Northern Iraq. Both Afghanistan and Iraq had connections to al Qadea and the 911 Commission Report states those points unequivocally. Not that you care. The inane ?Bush lied? mantra of the left grew stale a long time ago. Looks as if the leftwing peanut gallery forgot about these gems: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998. "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998. "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 Gonna call them liars too, sweetpea? Bin Laden?s Islamofascist thugs who slaughtered 3000 Americans on 9/11 and would gladly subject you, and the rest of the planet to their oppressive theocracy. Going after them in Iraq and Afghanistan is a damned good start. You?re comprised of pseudo-anarchists, nihilists, and spineless MoveOn.org sycophants who would never let the facts get in the way of a good Bush bashing. The adults, thank God, are still in charge of the country. You ought to follow the lead, remove the nose rings and grow up. Dedicated, brave Soldiers of the United States Army are fighting and sacrificing their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan so that ingrates like you won?t have to worry about another 3000 deaths on this soil. Be thankful for the freedoms you enjoy and that we are out front protecting them. SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY

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SFC MAC Oh and one more thing geojoe: 7/24/2006 11:50:57 AM

Forgot to mention I am also an Iraq war vet, twice over. Now, go back under your rock.

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geojoe RE:Hey Geojoe: corrected response 7/24/2006 1:05:32 PM

Relax baby, you are gonna blow a gasket then where would we be? I read and understand all of the comments you made and agree with all of them, Clinton was a jerk and Reno was a joke, that's over now but if it makes you feel better to live in that past then i'm very supportive of your need. Now let's get back on topic if that's ok with your list of neo-con bullet points. It's obvious from your posts that you haven't a clue as to what you are doing in Iraq. You completely believe the propoganda that you've been fed. Whatever website it was where you got all that neat information should be applauded for doing the job it intended to do which is, I suspect, to keep lulling the masses to sleep with non-stop flag waving and Clinton bashing and it proudly exclaim "Mission Accomplished" with you. Meanwhile, back in the real world, here we are having accomplished nothing while you rant and rave about nonsense while the administration uses you to do its bidding. The world is safer? Have you watched the news in the last year? That's a non-argument. But let's get to the real issue. The military is being used by those who have no allegiance to this country but only to capitalism and making sure that their families are wealthy beyond belief for the next couple of generations to come. I admire those that serve in the armed forces, I myself am a ten year veteran of the Army, I can list the stats of my service if you want but its really not important. I'm not bashing the military, but I sincerely wish that those serving in Iraq would take a few moments to understand what it is they are really doing there and get out from behind the rhetoric of spreading democracy and making the world safe from terrorism. Admirable goals i'm sure but those aren't the goals of a president and his staff that you so blindly follow and believe without question. Stop listening to the right wing pundits because they are doing you no good and telling you things that simply aren't true. Liberals aren't your enemy as you are led to believe. The time you spend doing research would be better spent if you read or listened to someone other than the right wing puppets that do nothing but hammer home the administration's bullet points. Back to my original point and before your blood pressure shot through the roof, I just wish that those of you in uniform who are responsible for enforcing the policies that come from the white house would take a few moments to really try to understand what it is you are doing there and stop making whatever it is they tell you to be true just because they say it enough times. If bush did lie, and there's very strong evidence that says he did, then the argument is not old. In fact, the argument gets stronger and more imperative as the war that was predicated on those lies drags on. I understand you are in the military and must do what you are told, but you must also have a conscience and a soul to search. Being a soldier doesn't absolve you from the responsibility of being a citizen. You must be a citizen first then a soldier. And one more thing for you: All the military jargon you throw around is cute but in the end useless. Thanks for listening

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geojoe RE:Oh and one more thing geojoe: 7/27/2006 10:33:35 AM

that's very admirable. nobody i know has any ill will toward the military that's serving in iraq. The issue is WHY are you there? Our soldiers are being put in harm's way for reasons that they themselves don't fully understand. that's why its easy for you to and others to believe the lies coming out of washington because they are easy to believe and to rally around. you owe it to yourselves to get past the rhetoric and stop listening to the extreme right wing pundits that say nothing but the day's talking points put out by conservative think tanks. If i was still in the army i would be insulted that my commander in chief thought so loittle of me and my intelligence that he could think that i would believe any lie he told me no matter how weak and easy to debunk. All you have to do is stop for a minutes. stop vomitting out the same talking points and lies that you get from whatever websites you are getting your information from and just listen to someone that has some facts. there are a LOT of democrats in the army, find them and find out why you are in iraq. Once you listen and know all the facts then you can honestly say whether you are fighting a just war or a war that is doing nothing but making a few people in the world very wealthy while it is physically and emotionally crippling those that do their bidding.

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Berdan 11/27/2006 11:30:42 PM

I don't agree with this war, and I don't like bush or his administation. I want us to leave Iraq. I do not agree with the LTC, although I respect his opinion, and hope that he, and all the Americans in Iraq, come back home safely. I have protested the war. But I will say this: I have NEVER, and would NEVER, hold a protest against the war at the funeral of a soldier who died in the war. I did not know people did that. That's horrible! It's sick and completely insensitive. A funeral is not the place for politics. I did not know people did that and I am horrified to learn that they do. How sad. Fortunately, the people who do this are not the majority of those who oppose the war. They are the extremist few, I am sure. Both sides, pro-war and anti-war, have their own extremist few, who the majority of the side do not want or respect.

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