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Subject: Are the marines a Tier 1 now?
thongdongalong    9/17/2010 1:10:14 PM
Recently was talking to a mate who is a staff sgt. recruiter and he told me that the marines are now a tier 1. Just wondering if hes talking out his ass like he usually does. He is american after all :P haha
 
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ArtyEngineer       9/17/2010 6:08:07 PM

Recently was talking to a mate who is a staff sgt. recruiter and he told me that the marines are now a tier 1. Just wondering if hes talking out his ass like he usually does. He is american after all :P haha

The entirety of the USMC being considered a "Tier 1" special operations force is nonsense.  But am interested to know what your mates real MOS is so I can figure out where he got this idea from.  Also am intrested to know what his definition of a Tier 1 unit is?
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Arty
 
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smitty237    From an American   9/25/2010 2:20:28 AM
I think you could make the case that the US Marines are an elite unit, particularly as elite infantry, but to say that the Marines are on par with Delta Force (or whatever they are calling themselves now), the SAS, SEALS, or GSG-9 is mere bluster.  I have no doubt that the USMC could (or even has) put together a tier one quality unit, but I do not believe that the USMC as a whole meets this standard.  I doubt that any honest Marine would argue this point.
 
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SCCOMarine       9/29/2010 4:02:46 AM

Recently was talking to a mate who is a staff sgt. recruiter and he told me that the marines are now a tier 1. Just wondering if hes talking out his ass like he usually does. He is american after all :P haha


No, nor does the USMC have any interest in creating a Tier I Unit.
 
However, SOCOM's report on Det-1 by the JSOU said that the Det, which was modeled after the MEU(SOC)'s MSPF, had many capabilities beyond Tier II SOF, & in the areas of Direct Action, Urban Reconnassance, & All-Source Intelligence Fusion was on par w/Tier I SMUs.
 
Now w/that said, having the skill level in 3 tactical areas doesn't cover the board of being a Tier I SOF. Then there's also the Operational aspect of being Mission Capable, which is non-stop & very narrowly focused (which is why the USMC has no interest in creating a Tier I Unit).
 
So the answer is no.
 
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mrjiujitsu       9/29/2010 4:14:49 PM
The Marines are now apart of the USSOCOM tier 1 operation units. MARSOC(Marine Special Operations Command) has several units that deploy under the command of USSOCOM, Marine Special Operations Regiment (MSOR), Marine Special Operations Battalion (MSOB), Marine Special Operations Support Group (MSOSG), as well as others, but these are the main three units. MARSOC is generally referred to as Marine Force Recon, which branched off Marine Recon. There is Force recon, which is under the command of a joint task force (USSOCOM), Marine Recon or Battalion Recon is under the command of the Marine Corps itself, a battalion commander. Both have to go through the Basic Recon/amphibious school in Coranado, Ca, then if you want to become a force recon operator you have to go through a selection process that consists of 4 phases. This is done at one of the Navy's Amphibious Base schools and is similar to BUD/S, SEAL school.    
 
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SCCOMarine       10/1/2010 7:15:57 PM

The Marines are now apart of the USSOCOM tier 1 operation units. MARSOC(Marine Special Operations Command) has several units that deploy under the command of USSOCOM, Marine Special Operations Regiment (MSOR), Marine Special Operations Battalion (MSOB), Marine Special Operations Support Group (MSOSG), as well as others, but these are the main three units. MARSOC is generally referred to as Marine Force Recon, which branched off Marine Recon. There is Force recon, which is under the command of a joint task force (USSOCOM), Marine Recon or Battalion Recon is under the command of the Marine Corps itself, a battalion commander. Both have to go through the Basic Recon/amphibious school in Coranado, Ca, then if you want to become a force recon operator you have to go through a selection process that consists of 4 phases. This is done at one of the Navy's Amphibious Base schools and is similar to BUD/S, SEAL school.    


Not wanting to be disrespectful but your post is extremely inaccurate.
 
1st, the USMC has no Tier I Units, nor has it shown any interest in creating 1. There have been & are several Marines assigned to the other Services Tier I Units.
 
2nd, MarSOC is assigned to USSOCom but like most units assigned to SOCom it is not a Tier I force. The Tier I units in SOCOM are assigned directly to the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) which is under SOCOM.
 
3rd, MarSOC is not referred to as Marine Force Recon nor is Force Recon under the Command of SOCOM; Force is under its MEF Cmdr & conducts missions for whichever Theater Cmdr they maybe assigned to, MarSOC is the only USMC unit under SOCom Cmd.
 
4th, BN Recon is assigned to its Marine Division Cmdr, both go thru BRC-Basic Reconnaissance Course & selection to Force is much more intense before even attending BRC. But the Phases are not part of selection process but Force's 18mth Training Program.
 
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