Well, let's look at the Alpha unit. Aren't they the ones who botched the Moscow theatre op? If the Theatre was any indication of skill level, then they are indeed very average

The problem with Russian SpecOps is NOT the Men themselves , but what 's all around them like Logistics , Intels , CoMMs and BUDGET . Don't get me wrong , I like Russian people . I should say I LOVE Russian people . I mean it :-) They simply don 't get what they deserve professionally speaking ... Cheers .

>"The problem with Russian SpecOps is NOT the Men themselves , but what 's all around them like Logistics , Intels , CoMMs and BUDGET .<" Yes, I get intel, but how much does this truly effect the actual mission at hand? Say some unit of Spetznaz has a DA mission in Chechnya. How much does Logistics and CoMMs really effect the actual mission. I look to you to answer this question because you, unlike most on here, have been in a special operation

There are many factors to take into account . #The task : What is it going to be ? Espionnage , Demolition , Interdiction ? Each needs different Intels and different expertize . #AoO : where are you going to operate ? close or far from friendly Forces ? For how long ? (Logistics and CoMMs differences) #Insertion : what method are you going to use ? Air , Roads , Sea ? (Logistics : capability of doing so ie: Subs (?)) #Extraction : Are you on your own or not and if not , who is extracting and where ? (Logistics-Supports) SpecOps on their own are like Ferrari cars without the engine , they look good but they don 't do $hit . They need far more Logistics than people think , sending 8 Men to the other side of the World by specially hired "Taxi" Sub is expensive and need planning as an exemple . [to be continued , must go to work ;-)] Cheers .

Ok , back from work :-) >>Yes, I get intel, but how much does this truly effect the actual mission at hand?<< Tremendously . Contrary to popular belief , you don 't send SpecOps "there" with a "do a good job" brief . The more you know the better , on every level . Unless specific scenarios , Discretion is the attitude of choice and more you know about where you 're going and what will be the conditions , easier it is to stay stealthy . >>say some unit of Spetznaz has a DA mission in Chechnya<< In urban areas or not ? If it 's urban , you 'll probably need a diversion ~decoy , fake attack , etc~ for a "safer" insertion where the enemy is not (Intel 1) . Then the Team will try its BEST to to stay on the planned route (Intels 2) to its designated AoO . Urban warfare is the worse of all , ESPECIALLY for SpecOps . It is easier to pin down a smal Team than let say a whole platoon , or 2 . If it 's "countryside" , see my precedent post . SpecOps are a PART of the combined Forces . Sure there are many exemples where they are really alone for days , but when it is the case the mission is Intel gathering and long range Recon . You hide , observe , take notes and radio-back . Generally speaking , SpecOps are always to first to arrive (SAS in Falklands , CPA10 in Kosovo , SEALS in Irak , etc ...) . To go back to the Russian Spetznatz , I don 't believe that they "get" what they need to work efficiently . That 's all . Cheers .

The reason yimmy why the sbs are obviously the best is because to become one you have to basically take and complete the same course as the sas before you even start learning about real sbs stuff such as underwater demolition, surfboarding or whatever the hell they do. the sbs are also held in higher esteem by the goverment than the sas ant its the sbs who take on the missions when the security of the uk is actually in danger. Now obviously most people consider the sas to be the best sf in the world, and if this is the case imagine how good the sbs must be. and yer i cant prove there 100% the best in the world but so ing what, and whoever said that when real sf men read this post thell laugh can right off cos there just bein a dickhead

jtjcp88, son, ease down now, yes men in sof would laugh at these type's of thread, to them it's a job, it's what they do, they don't get up in the morning and put on a cape and leotard's with a big S on them, yes their job is exciting and challenging, but so it fishing in the Bering sea which btw has the highest statistical death rate of any job, but do they get thread's dedicated to how "HSLD" fishing is?......no, to a guy in the UKSF, those fishermen have gut's, you see what I mean, it's relative, you admire them because they get to do all thise cool stuff,to them it's what they get paid for, nothing more nothing less, they risk their live's fighting beside men from other countries SOF everyDay, to them the shear idea as to demean another brother unit by ranking them, is not just an insult to the lower ranked unit, but to themselves, they are all in the same boat, it's just every else who's not in SOF isn't, I'm not saying they don't deserve praise, but serve the praise out equally, any man serving in a good SOF unit deserves it, not just you're favorite unit, lecture over

Nicely put ;-) Cheers .

what the hell are you talking about preacher man, all i was stating was why i thought the sbs are the best, and i specifically put that i can never prove this so people would realsie this is only my opinion and not a fact, and give me a break about brother units, yes deep down they do have some respect for each other but soldiers want to join sf to better thamseleves and become the best of the best not because they get a high from working along side other sf, and its not like a they have a choice who they fight with and where, there told by their goverments where they fight and who with. for example the sbs and sas probably work alongside each other a lot of the time, but they also have a deep intense rivalry because the sas know that the sbs are better than them

I'm sorry you get or got that impression, oh well I tried