Jesus christ is school out already?..."my superninjaSEALRANGERspaceshuttledoorgunners can beat up yours!!"... grow up....everyone from the cook to the uber Delta force guy have their jobs to do and they each do them to the best of their abilities...everything else said is bullshit

Mough! How have you been dude? Haven't heard from you in awhile, glad you are staying safe.

 

Anyway, I can't believe this thread hasn't died. But then again, it never will unless it's deleted.

If you really wanna say something about Trukish Special Forces, you should have some sort of idea about those guys first. You can statrt with the history of this nation. Just a brief recommendation, have a look at World War I and see what happended in Gallipoli. Then you will figure out what really happended in Iraq and why those soldiers didnt respond freakin US soldiers. If you think they scared, keep thinking that way. coz that's the way you would ignore the real 'truth' behind that action.

What is going on in Afganistan, Pakistan? Where are those superior special forces? What i see is dead US, British, Asutralian soldiers. Where are those SUPER (If you like) soldiers? What about Turkish troops. Why they dont attack us? Let me tell you mike; we have ETHIC ,we respect human rights, we do not harrast people and reflcet it as a victory as you guys did in Iraq prisons. I dont even mention how many innocent civilians you have killed in Iraq. Doesn matter, does it? You brought them PEACE and guess what you got petrol coz you had to get back to home. Is this what you call 'ETHIC'.

By the way what about our military operation to north Iraq few months ago. Why did America let it happen? I reckon you guys should take that operation as a great example and put it into your millitary curriculum.

Cheers....

 

this is for you;

Horsesoldier       3/2/2007 10:29:13 PM

The US Army SF are unbelievably good at FID.

Look at this web site and see what they have for your unbelievable US Special forces. they are really unbelievable mannnn.

What a professioanl mistake mannnnnn!!!!!! Only US Special forces can do that perhaps....

If you need more, I got more bro.

for you too, dirtykraut.

well the matter is Turkish special forces not just a special forces there are at least 10 different special force units untill it comes to maroon berets... . even a avarage national guard commando unit ( team of 16 ) would fight to death even if they wre in the same stuation as the USA forces and maroon berets... was in Iraq. 

 

as we all know during the operation Turkish forces cought with many explosive and was doing under cover operation with out permissin in norther &&05;raq and they were not more that 20 as long as i know. 120 USA soldiers and pkk terrorists with them.

 

even as a regular person who server 18 months as a regular national guard soldier in the Turkish army i could easlly would take 20 heads from  400 meters before even ( with the regular training i had) from the roof top ( where they possition the heavy machine gun and a best snipers ( mostly able to shot up to 1 mile easy ) and possibilly all boilding and suround are was packed with C4's and many other explosives to blow it up in any stuation that thet can get cought.

 

As may of you possibilly do not know USA Militarry made 5 special forces compition that special forces from many countries are attended but USA Mil. canceled the compitition because of Turkish maroon berets... was win every single part of the all 5 competitions. ( do not say it is just a competition couse it is really close to real thing believe me) 

 

Turkish militarry has many  unites S.A.S and S.A.T, National guard commando units and may other but the maroon berets... are only choosen from the bests of the best from those units, beside physical ability they also have to mentally be ready to spend a life with out any family kids or any one for about 2000 USA dolars salary a month and who willing to die without thinking a second for even in a small operation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all those guys are get 5 years training after they compate the 2-3 years basic training ( also all of them comes from commando and other special force unit trainings and at least 2-5 years military experiance before they start 5 years maroon berets... trainig) 

all got also trained in the USA ranger forces and has the full knowladge of the delta forces and ranges training and after that here we are they got back to Turkey To get their own elite force traing that no one else knows ( beside themself) that how thay do !!!!!!!!!!!!

just a short sample for you : all get close shooting training with their own friends that holding a A4 size paper and and the partner shoots to target while moving to the target that about 20 inc. away from their partners head is that enaught ofcourse not: than they bend down front looking from between their legs halding two guns and shooting the real bullets to the terget that their best body is holding ( i believe William Tell even could not think of that ) :))

 

Turkey had the first military special forces about 500 years ago from today and as we all know a country and a nation that has  4000 years of war experiance easlly could think of having  a special force unit before even America was discovered....

 

So believe me if that day if thay left to have their own decision ( without any political issues like USA Gow is gonna show Turkey as a Terrorist country in the puplic and try to start a war that whole world in gonna join in and gonna be the 3rd world war that gonna push Russia, Iran, China, Britan, Usa, Turkey, Ukrain, all middle east countries and all Turkic middle asia countries........ image the mess that is not a dream it is the reality can easlilly become real) before even USa forces get close at least 3-400 meters from maroon berets... builging explosives would start going on and any body get closer that 1 miles would have a bullet hole between their eyes. and a few heavy machine guns would go on and even forget more that 50000 natio&&05;nal guard commado units tank comandos that waiting other side of the border that would take about 1 hour to arrive to location and at least 10 aphachies and at least 5-6 F-16 and 10-20 cobras full of commandos and special forces ( each carries about 16 commandos) at the location 10 munites after they get a call in the radio and that about 600000 soldiers woul be at the location 24 hours from the first bullet has beet shot. 

i don't know much about special forces, nor i think anybody could determine which nation's force is the best. i just want to mention a few about turkish soldiers, and turkish people in general.

 

first of all, they are fierce warriors for sure. europeans know that. they were at the gates of vienna, not so long ago. the british and french know that. they were two of the most powerful nations when they were at the dardanelles with their most advanced war machines; against a nation which had been battered with continious war and which did not have the instruments to defend itself. yet that nation did defend itself solely because its warriors are tough.

 

and yes, they consider death more honourable than being defeated. more to that, most have no fear of death and some are even fond of it (on a religious base). i personally know people who jumped on and covered thrown hand grenades with their bodies to save his friends, and who died that way. believe me, its a very common practice in the war with the kurdish seperatists.

 

when i was on the site of the conflicts, many turkish commandos literally LIVED in the mountains. they wouldn't carry much food. they prefer eating whatever they find in the mountains; mostly lizards and so. i saw some special operations forces (ozel harekat kuvveti) in action and could not believe my eyes. one could know upon seeing them that their lives are dedicated to warring and they really know how to do it.

 

about "an average american soldier outshooting his turkish counterpart", i would not be so sure. war is not only about big guns and big weapon stocks. it's been proven in afghanistan, in vietnam, in world war I, and so on. i would not underestimate the turkish, it would look ignorant. there is a good chance that the best warriors are among turkish maroon berets because they have been in actual war for such a long time that they became experts at almost anything about war.

by the way, i have a turkish passport but i consider myself greek because my ancestors are greek. i think i have a neutral point of view.

Funny, i think everyone is underestimating everyone else's military and i am frankly sick and tired of it all! Also, of note, i have a healthy respect for the Turkish military and a lot of others as well, but i will be damned if i give anymore respect too any other military before others start showing a little respect too my nations military.

 

As simple as that. Give a little, get a little. Give none, receive none. This is what it has come down too!