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Subject: Rhodesian Commando
Yimmy    11/14/2005 10:23:42 AM
Taken from another thread, my not wanting to side-track it: "The thing that worked for Mike Hoare and his boys (and the Rhodesian Light Infantry, Rhodesian SAS, Selous Scouts et al)" Who exactly were these Rhodesians mentioned? I have been meaning to ask about them for ages, but never got round to it. Whenever you brouse a British army surplus outlet, you always see various webbing accessries and the likes labelled as being ex-Rhodesian, or Rhodesian type etc. Although I am sure this is in the same context as labeling a $2 watch "SAS issue", what was the unit, and what made them so famous? Reading at face value, I assume they were a recce regiment recruited from Rodesia, serving in the South African military, against Angola?
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Selous Scouts (Psuedo Operations)   11/21/2005 2:02:55 PM
Frankly I think it would be better for the American Republic in the long run that it never learns this particular nasty lesson, as it will only retard its progress towards true freedom. And for a supposedly conservative Republican Presidency, it should be the first and most memorable lesson from Father of Conservative Movement - Edmund Burke, who incidentally tried to impeach Warren Hastings for violating, among other things, laws of warfare.
 
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longrifle    RE:Add the Rhodesian African Rifles   11/27/2005 6:54:54 PM
"I think you're right. I haven't or don't remember any mention of a Rhodesian Paratroop Bn. I think the RLI were it. Of course the SAS were parachute qualified, but that's not exactly the same as a conventional airborne force. I don't think, however, that the RLI became, a parachute until sanctions began to take a toll on the number of available Allouette helos. That is when they started to use Dakotas, cargo planes, to insert their fireforces. At the height of the war, troops of the RLI were doing 3 combat drops per day!!!" This thread got me to do a little reading and I have since found out that the Rhodesian African Rifles, an all black regiment, were also eventually parachute trained and conducted a lot of fireforce operations. The Rhodesian African Rifles were a multi battalion regiment as well. I'm not sure how many battalions they eventually had on active duty.
 
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longrifle    RE:Add the Rhodesian African Rifles   11/27/2005 8:34:51 PM
"the Rhodesian African Rifles, an all black regiment" I made a mistake. The Rhodesian African Rifles was made up of black enlisted and white officers. Go figure.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Add the Rhodesian African Rifles   11/28/2005 9:58:52 AM
>>I made a mistake. The Rhodesian African Rifles was made up of black enlisted and white officers. Go figure.<< Yeah, that was Rhodesia for you. Ron Reid Daly mentions in his book that they also had seperate NCO chains for white soldiers and black soldiers, up to the Sergeant Major level (I seem to recall that their African sergeant major was the first black airborne qualified soldier in the country).
 
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Yimmy    RE:Add the Rhodesian African Rifles   11/28/2005 10:47:27 AM
Black soldiers and white officers? Snipers paridise...
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Add the Rhodesian African Rifles   11/28/2005 3:54:57 PM
>>Black soldiers and white officers? Snipers paridise...<< In theory, yes. In practice, the guerillas in Rhodesia were strictly of the "AK at hip level, pull trigger, and swing barrel from side to side" school of combat marksmanship. One of the reason white troops and/or white-led African troops have traditionally been able to so readily smash and rout larger all-native forces is because European style training involves actually aiming and hitting specific targets. Nothing takes the ideological fervor out of illiterate peasants quite like putting a thousand rounds downrange for no hits, while a unit a tenth your size shoots twenty rounds back and puts ten of your guys on the ground . . .
 
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Sentinel    Drake Shoot   11/30/2005 3:25:41 PM
Hey, didn't the Rhodesians first develop the Drake shoot? I've been looking for an actual manual that details this. Does anyone know of one?
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Drake Shoot   12/1/2005 10:45:45 AM
>>Hey, didn't the Rhodesians first develop the Drake shoot? I've been looking for an actual manual that details this. Does anyone know of one?<< I think it did originate with them, in the Selous Scouts specifically. I don't know of any manuals about it, though.
 
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stratego    RE:Rhodesian Commando   12/8/2005 10:31:04 PM
"Top Secret War" by Ron Reid-Daly ---used paperbacks currently start at $59 on Amazon.
 
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Nichevo    RE:Selous Scouts (Psuedo Operations) - Phoneix Project?   12/8/2005 11:00:37 PM
If all you want is paramilitaries and direct action in a permissive environment, we did that in Vietnam. If you want American-born native speakers, open some recruiting stations in Brooklyn - Iraqi or Syrian or Iranian Jews, Afghans, whatever. Or better yet, recruit Iraqi groups. If this analogy is correct - in police work, snitches aren't always gang members.
 
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