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Subject: Top notch SWAT units?
GOP    9/23/2007 10:13:22 PM
Whatsup guys? Anyway, we have a ton of info on great military SOF units, but I was just curious as to what Police Dept/Sherriff Dept SWAT units are considered top notch? Now, this is certainly no comparison as I hate those, or a ranking in any way. Just a listing of top notch SWAT units or info on excellent SWAT units throughout the country (obviously referring to the US, but if you know of any great ones in your country then feel free to add them). Honestly Just trying to get a feel for what options I have (as far as locations, etc), as Im still unsure on my career goals.

I have heard excellent things of MDPD SWAT, LAPD SWAT, Dallas SWAT, and Las Vegas SWAT.
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 12:20:40 AM
I would like to know what your research tells you about NYPD's ESU; but since that is an umbrella unit whose work is not entirely HSLD (some aviation, rescue, etc. as well), maybe TF-Hercules or -Atlas is more your meat?
 
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GOP       9/24/2007 12:45:31 AM
maybe TF-Hercules or -Atlas is more your meat

Dude, what's is that supposed to mean?
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 2:13:31 AM
Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)

 
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GOP       9/24/2007 8:53:49 AM

Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)


Ah, makes sense. I personally do not care much about getting on a specialized HSLD unit within a SWAT unit right yet, as I have a loooong way to go before I'm even eligible to join a PD (I'm a highschool Senior this year and start/finish college). Got any links or info on this unit? 
I wasn't sure if that was a personal attack or not, I know so little about NYPD ESU that I was not aware of these units.
 
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olive-greens       9/24/2007 11:16:45 AM

Whatsup guys? Anyway, we have a ton of info on great military SOF units, but I was just curious as to what Police Dept/Sherriff Dept SWAT units are considered top notch? Now, this is certainly no comparison as I hate those, or a ranking in any way. Just a listing of top notch SWAT units or info on excellent SWAT units throughout the country (obviously referring to the US, but if you know of any great ones in your country then feel free to add them). Honestly Just trying to get a feel for what options I have (as far as locations, etc), as Im still unsure on my career goals.

I have heard excellent things of MDPD SWAT, LAPD SWAT, Dallas SWAT, and Las Vegas SWAT.

Wonder what you would consider FBI's HRT and in-house intervention team? The FBI's units and GIGN are the gotoguys if you wish to set-up a counter-terrorist force that acts with police-like considerations, if your country has good relations with US and France.
 
India's National Security Guards is based on an entirely different concept, but heavily influenced by both GIGN and FBI. It is basically divided into two groups - the Special Assault Group and the Special Ranger Group. The SAG is composed of military personnel on a limited-term detachment to the Home Ministry; it is more proficient in weaponry and tactics of the two. The SRG is composed of personnel detached from central police organizations (like Border Security Force); it is more skilled in investigations, perimeter security, pursuit, and interfaces with other local and central police forces in handling the pre- and post-assault phases.
 
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Nichevo       9/24/2007 3:53:37 PM



Task Force Hercules, and I believe, Atlas are dedicated post-9/11 CT units within NYPD ESU.  Which, I was thinking, might be more your style ("your meat") than oh maybe river police, which is another detail that ESU gets. 

D00d, lighten up, honest, my every sentence is not a hidden VBIED (Verbally Borne Insult Expressing Device)



Ah, makes sense. I personally do not care much about getting on a specialized HSLD unit within a SWAT unit right yet, as I have a loooong way to go before I'm even eligible to join a PD (I'm a highschool Senior this year and start/finish college). Got any links or info on this unit? 

I wasn't sure if that was a personal attack or not, I know so little about NYPD ESU that I was not aware of these units.

Well, ESU would offer you a LOT of variety and a LOT of challenge.  (BTW though I was wrong earlier, aviation is a separate unit.)

www.policeny.com/esdtrucks1.html

Emergency Service Division - Squad Trucks

ESD - ESU
Celebrating 75 Years of Service
April 10, 1930 - April 10, 2005

The EMERGENCY SERVICE DIVISION . . .

started as a riot control unit in 1930, it evolved into a highly trained and experienced rescue unit by the 1960's.
Today ESU (the Emergency Service Unit) does it all- from rescue
and bomb handling to barricade and hostage situations to dealing with the threat of terrorism. Nobody does it better.




www.extrication.com/nypdesu.htm

NYPD EMERGENCY SERVICE UNIT
"At Your Service... Anything, Anytime, Anywhere!"

 


One of Ten NYPD ESU Heavy Rescue Trucks, photo courtesy of ESU

The fire service is not the only organization to provide motor vehicle extrication. The Emergency Service Unit of the NYPD is just one of many organizations providing a dual role of law enforcement and rescue operations. Their training is one of the best in the country and personal qualifications are very high to enter into the unit.

ESU Mission
The Mission of the Emergency Service Unit is to provide specialized support to all units within the New York Police Department. This is accomplished through the assignment of highly trained personnel and the utilization of specialized equipment. Each officer is trained to utilize various types of equipment and weapons to perform a myriad of tasks efficiently and effectively in support of all department initiatives and directives.


   
  ESU Radio Emergency Patrol and Heavy Rescue Truck

Vehicles

The ESU mans two basic types of rescue vehicles; Radio Emergency Patrol (REP) Vehicles  and ten Heavy Rescue Trucks referred as "Trucks".

The REP is utilized as the ESU's work horse and continually on patrol within the various NYC precincts. Each REP is equipped with , scuba gear, medical kits and rescue equipment including heavy hydraulics. Additionally the REP also as equipment to be used for domestic security issues.

The ESU also has (14) portable light tower generator units stationed throughout the city. In addition to the towers, the ESU can also deploy 60Kw, 90Kw, 100Kw and 200Kw generators upon request for additional power when required. Lighting can also be provided by (4) of the department's Mobile Light Generators. These are specialized light-power units with tower generators mounted in the bed of pickup trucks.  The ESU also has a 100Kw mobile generator truck designated as Mobile Auxiliary Light Truck (MALT). It has the capability of supplying enough power to light up Grand Central Station.

The heavy rescue "Trucks" each have 25Kw generator and telescoping rotational light towers to illuminate most large crime or crash scenes. The ESU also has a unit dedicated to heavy construction incidents. The Construction Accident Response Vehicle (CARV) responds construction accidents to stabilize structures and rescue entrapped workers/personnel.

The ESU Medical Squad also mans two department ambulances with qualified personnel.

The ESU supports water rescue, suicide-jumpers and structural collapse rescues with the Emergency Support Vehicle (ESV). This unit has is complete with a powered Zodiac inflatable and deployable rescue airbag. The ESU also has (6) jet skis, numerous Zodiac inflatables assigned to units throughout the precincts of NYC.

The ESU canine unit has approximately 33 dogs including three bloodhounds and several dogs cross-trained in cadaver recovery. The ESU canines are an integral part of the US-TF1 Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) Team deployed by FEMA.





firechief.com/readers/nypd-unit-handles051605/

In response to Janet Wilmoth's editorial, "Saying No to the Boss," published in Command Post on May 13, 2005:

In response to your editorial "saying no to the boss," I would like to let you know that your assessment of the NYPD's ability to handle hazmat and WMD couldn't be more wrong. You may not be aware of the fact the NYPD's Emergency Service Unit has nearly 400 police officers, detectives and supervisors, all of whom are at least Hazmat/WMD Technicians and/or Specialists as well as several hundred COBRA officers assignened to boro task forces trained to the level of hazmat operations -- trained, equipped and capable of performing decon, mitigation, rescue and investigation at any hazmat emergency.

It was these police officers not the FDNY that handled the anthrax attacks on NYC not the FDNY and presently handle  haz mat incidents on a daily basis.

Unlike many other cities in the U.S. the NYPD's ESU perform many rescue functions typically performed by the fire dept. ESU operates 11 large rescue trucks and between 20 and 40 mini rescue trucks per shift citywide. Members of ESU are all trained EMTs or paramedics, trained in high-angle and confined space rescue, vehicle extrication. All members are certified public safety divers, trained as firefighters in addition to their tactical and SWAT duties, and many are members of FEMA NYTF-1 serving as rescue specialists and technical search specialists. It is the only team in the nation with police officers serving in this capacity, which is comprised of 50% NYPD and 50% FDNY.

ESU was formed in 1930 when the FDNY donated a fire truck to the police department and asked the NYPD to handle civilian rescue functions, as it was too heavily burdened fighting fires and its rescue companies were charged with firefighter rescue and assistance. That 1930 Mack fire truck remains on our unit patch to this day. Of the 23 NYPD officers killed on Sept. 11, 2001, 14 were from ESU performing rescues in the towers when they collapsed. So I'd like to inform that the police do much more than put up yellow tape, and in NYC firefighters can and do write parking tickets. Please feel free to contact me at this e-mail address if you need any information on ESU or if I can be of further assistance. Thank you.

Steve Clifford
New York Police Department
NYPDMedic@aol.com






then they'res:

Amazon.com: E-Man: Life in the NYPD Emergency Services Unit: Books ...

Sheppard makes it clear that NYPD ESU is an incredible organization. If you are at all interested in the workings of SWAT teams, rescue operations, ...
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Amazon.com: Jihad in Brooklyn: The NYPD Raid That Stopped ...

The brave men of the NYPD ESU staged a daring 5 AM raid on the sweltering, filthy tenement apartment, stopping the terrorists- who literally had their ...
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and as always wiki:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department#Emergency_Service_Unit

[edit] Emergency Service Unit

New york city police department hummer.
New York City Police Department Hummer.

The Emergency Service Unit provides specialized support and advanced equipment to other NYPD units, and the Canine Unit helps with searches.[41] The NYPD does not have a traditional S.W.A.T. unit as most law enforcement agencies in the United States have. The Emergency Service Unit qualifies in the role of a S.W.A.T. unit and much more. The "ESU" is the multifaceted and multitalented element of the NYPD. Members of "ESU" are some of the most highly trained experts of the Department, with abilities that include handling heavy weapons to securing dangerous animals such as full grown tigers kept in public housing apartments. They are also trained in ROCO high angle rope rescue as well as tactical rappelling and fast rope use. 14 of the 23 NYPD officers who died on September 11th, 2001 were from ESU.



And the horse's mouth:


Official NYPD page

link www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/home.html


Simply use the search function on the NYPD site for "Hercules" and "Atlas"...
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NYPD RNC Documents
... Operation Hercules ? teams of heavily armed NYPD personnel deployed daily to locations
identified on the basis of intelligence obtained locally, nationally ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/dcpi/nypd_rnc_overview.html - 79k - 2007-05-19


Special Operations Division
... All units in the Division are heavily involved in the Departments Counter Terrorism
efforts deploying heavy armed “Hercules” Teams throughout the city and ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/pct/sodpct.html - 14k - 2006-12-22


NYPD Counterterrorism
... Counterterrorism Deployments The Department’s strategic and continuous counterterrorism
deployments include: Hercules, teams of Emergency Service Unit ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/dcct/dcct-home.html - 30k - 2007-07-31


NYPD Press Release 2006-033
... Nuclear / Hazardous Materials intelligence and investigative programs, and the NYPD's
counterterrorism Critical Response Vehicle and Hercules deployments. ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/dcpi/pr-2006-9-25.html - 20k - 2006-09-25


NYPD Press Release 2004-007
... 31, 2004. Sgt. Ferguson was a member of the Emergency Service Unit's Truck
#7 and a leader of a Hercules team. Sgt. Ferguson was ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/dcpi/pr-2004-18.html - 20k - 2004-02-04


NYPD - Official New York City Police Department Web Site
... The New York City Police Department has deployed its resources accordingly, including
Hercules and Atlas assets and Critical Response Surges. ...

home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/nypd/html/dcpi/pr-2004-092.html - 26k - 2004-08-02




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