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Subject: Top notch SWAT units?
GOP    9/23/2007 10:13:22 PM
Whatsup guys? Anyway, we have a ton of info on great military SOF units, but I was just curious as to what Police Dept/Sherriff Dept SWAT units are considered top notch? Now, this is certainly no comparison as I hate those, or a ranking in any way. Just a listing of top notch SWAT units or info on excellent SWAT units throughout the country (obviously referring to the US, but if you know of any great ones in your country then feel free to add them). Honestly Just trying to get a feel for what options I have (as far as locations, etc), as Im still unsure on my career goals. I have heard excellent things of MDPD SWAT, LAPD SWAT, Dallas SWAT, and Las Vegas SWAT.
 
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Nichevo       9/26/2007 5:04:40 PM

Houston PD's reputation is pretty bad all the way around, and definitely well deserved.


As in ungood, or as in bada$$?  Though it figures...didn't we send them Dinkins' police commissioner?  Sorry 'bout that.
 
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GOP       9/26/2007 9:42:39 PM



Houston PD's reputation is pretty bad all the way around, and definitely well deserved.




As in ungood, or as in bada$$?

I have the same question. I wasn't too sure what he meant either.
 
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ChdNorm       9/29/2007 12:34:33 AM
I assumed this thread might have been initiated by your desire to find out more in regards to gathering information on departments for future employment. So to clarify ... Bad as in they suck. As in New Orleans P.D. or Atlanta P.D. kind of bad.
 
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GOP       9/29/2007 11:14:26 AM

I assumed this thread might have been initiated by your desire to find out more in regards to gathering information on departments for future employment. So to clarify ... Bad as in they suck. As in New Orleans P.D. or Atlanta P.D. kind of bad.



Oh, OK. The thread was sort of initiated for that reason, but the SWAT guys never get any praise or recognition on this site so I was just curious who was considered "top tier" and who wasn't. It seems impossible to find any real info on SWAT/HRT because almost no open source material is availible on them really.
 
Also, discrepencies seem to be huge between units. Lakeland, Fl SWAT recently won a SWAT shootout or whatever I believe last year, and Ocean city, NJ SWAT won it this year (with GSG-9 taking 4th). Is Ocean City better than the GSG-9? I mean, I highly doubt it, but they did beat them.
 
If it was based purely on location, then I'd go Miami Dade. Heard anything about them?
 
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mough       9/29/2007 1:50:34 PM
Also, discrepencies seem to be huge between units. Lakeland, Fl SWAT recently won a SWAT shootout or whatever I believe last year, and Ocean city, NJ SWAT won it this year (with GSG-9 taking 4th). Is Ocean City better than the GSG-9? I mean, I highly doubt it, but they did beat them.
 
If it was based purely on location, then I'd go Miami Dade. Heard anything about them?"


That competition the GSG-9 came 4th in was just that..a competition, you fluff a run or what ever you lose points, not like in real life, not saying NJ SWAT or whoever are bad, it's just GSG-9 have the budget and time to train to be among the very best of what they do, they also have a much broader range of skills and abilities

BTW GOP, if your looking into SWAT units to be a replacement for the SEAL's you may be disappointed, it's a different lifestyle, similar mental and physical outlook but the missions profiles are far different, just saying an elite military might be more up your alley,



 
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GOP       9/29/2007 8:36:54 PM

Also, discrepencies
seem to be huge between units. Lakeland, Fl SWAT recently won a SWAT
shootout or whatever I believe last year, and Ocean city, NJ SWAT won
it this year (with GSG-9 taking 4th). Is Ocean City better than the
GSG-9? I mean, I highly doubt it, but they did beat them.

 

If it was based purely on location, then I'd go Miami Dade. Heard anything about them?"


That competition the GSG-9 came 4th in was just that..a competition, you fluff a run or what ever you lose points, not like in real life, not saying NJ SWAT or whoever are bad, it's just GSG-9 have the budget and time to train to be among the very best of what they do, they also have a much broader range of skills and abilities

BTW GOP, if your looking into SWAT units to be a replacement for the SEAL's you may be disappointed, it's a different lifestyle, similar mental and physical outlook but the missions profiles are far different, just saying an elite military might be more up your alley,





Yeah, I don't think that Ocean City SWAT is as good as GSG-9, but if the GSG-9 is the best in the world in the law enforcement community, then wouldn't they win the competition? Fluffing a run is fluffing a run, and losing is losing.
Well, I seriously hate to always let these things turn into my career aspirations and such, because I feel like it's all I ever talk about and it pisses the members here off. However, I actually trust you guys even though I don't know you, because most of you have BTDT. Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not going into the military because honestly, I've been dating a girl for a long time and I'm in love with her (to say the least), and I'm just not sure I could go 1-2 years without seeing her when deployed, then not being able to see her for 9 months out of the year when not deployed (well, I have heard some "stats" that you will be away from home for 9 months out of the year). That may sound like a 'gay' reason or whatever, especially after all I've been through to have the military door back open, but it's the truth. SWAT is obviously a totally different ball game, because of a totally different way they go about 'doing business'. You can't just go into a house and kill the bad guys, you are a lifesaving organization and so you have the opposite outlook than a elite military unit. The missions are filled with alot more waiting, some of them are lame (eg: some guy whose off his meds goes outside with a gun saying he's going to kill everyone because space aliens told him to, and so the neighbors call the police who call out SWAT), and overall you won't have the budget/equipment/skill set (as in, infil/exfil mainly). However, I do feel that they are extremely good at room clearing, shooting, cqb, and most importantly saving lives (I would say they are better at saving lives than military units, so I'd get alot of satisfaction out of my job).
 
 
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bob the brit       9/29/2007 8:59:08 PM

Also, discrepencies
seem to be huge between units. Lakeland, Fl SWAT recently won a SWAT
shootout or whatever I believe last year, and Ocean city, NJ SWAT won
it this year (with GSG-9 taking 4th). Is Ocean City better than the
GSG-9? I mean, I highly doubt it, but they did beat them.

 

If it was based purely on location, then I'd go Miami Dade. Heard anything about them?"


That competition the GSG-9 came 4th in was just that..a competition, you fluff a run or what ever you lose points, not like in real life, not saying NJ SWAT or whoever are bad, it's just GSG-9 have the budget and time to train to be among the very best of what they do, they also have a much broader range of skills and abilities

BTW GOP, if your looking into SWAT units to be a replacement for the SEAL's you may be disappointed, it's a different lifestyle, similar mental and physical outlook but the missions profiles are far different, just saying an elite military might be more up your alley,





i think he just wants to wear the expensive sunglasses
anyway as mough was saying, SEALs sounds a bit more up your alley (not that you've given me much to go on but...)
you will encounter and refine a vast number more skills in the military side of things (ie: SEALs) than in a specialized police unit. you wll likely get more than enough chances to put your mettle to the test and a lot better and in depth training (for example when you were rotated to the wing, you were in the house everyday (pretty much) and if not, you were doing something useful) police dep's are fine but i'm sure you'll get to go on more "holidays" with the SEALs. i've also realised that me writing this little tid bit is pointless as you likely already understand the points i have made.
a few years back, i encountered a young fellow (well, he was younger than i [not too hard these days]) anyway, said young fellow had been a part of SO19 (i think it's CO19 now, firearms unit of the Met' anyway) he decided to leave and try his luck at the army. he was about getting into his fifth year when i met him and said he wanted to try for the shaky boats, i put in my two pence, said he'd probably like it if he got past the blackwater alright. few years later i meet him again, loved it and wonder why he even bothered with the Met'.
 
therefore the moral of this story is... i don't know i'm not very good with finding morals
 
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gf0012-aust       9/29/2007 9:03:39 PM


Anyway, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not going into the military because honestly, I've been dating a girl for a long time and I'm in love with her (to say the least), and I'm just not sure I could go 1-2 years without seeing her when deployed, then not being able to see her for 9 months out of the year when not deployed (well, I have heard some "stats" that you will be away from home for 9 months out of the year). That may sound like a 'gay' reason or whatever, 

Nope, family for the bulk of people is the highest priority.  It clearly shows that you're human and have moved beyond the "shoot em up, "yeehar" stage.....  not because you have changed your mind - but because you're thinking about others in a bigger picture.
 

 


 
 
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bob the brit       9/29/2007 10:37:32 PM
ha, sorry i had to laugh at that one a little, GOP it's hardly 'gay' when its over a girl. i know what you meant though, but i still laughed a bit. the good thing is you're young, if all goes well with this young lady then i'm sure you'll still find a job with lots of adrenaline in the job description, however, if something with the missus goes pear up you've got your options open (aslong as it doesn't go pear up when your in yer thirtys), my nephew was in the same boat as you, of course having an uncle like he does inspires a kid (especially when his father's a bloody bricky) he dreamed of joining the SAS, wouldn't stop going on and on about it... untill, he got settled with a young lass and the dream was up. but like you (well a bit older) he's got hs life ahead of hm so options are still open. (that doesn't stop me teasing him though)
 
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GOP       9/30/2007 5:22:54 PM

ha, sorry i had to laugh at that one a little, GOP it's hardly 'gay' when its over a girl. i know what you meant though, but i still laughed a bit. the good thing is you're young, if all goes well with this young lady then i'm sure you'll still find a job with lots of adrenaline in the job description, however, if something with the missus goes pear up you've got your options open (aslong as it doesn't go pear up when your in yer thirtys), my nephew was in the same boat as you, of course having an uncle like he does inspires a kid (especially when his father's a bloody bricky) he dreamed of joining the SAS, wouldn't stop going on and on about it... untill, he got settled with a young lass and the dream was up. but like you (well a bit older) he's got hs life ahead of hm so options are still open. (that doesn't stop me teasing him though)


Yeah, I meant gay as in dumb/stupid, not homosexual.  Gay has taken on alot of new meanings haha.
Anyway, yeah, I'm not so sure on the part about getting better, more in depth training in a military unit than a top tier SWAT unit. I mean, in a SWAT unit you have a more limited mission tasking, so therefore all of your training time can be focused on those few things (hostage situations, active shooter, etc), instead of HALO/Infil/Exfil/Recce/Orientation/etc. So as far as things like barricaded suspects, and such, I think a SWAT unit would have an advantage. They would probably be pretty close in CQB, although room clearing will be different due to much, much more restrictive ROE's. However, they won't be able to do things like HALO/SR/Infil/Exfil like most SOF units.
 
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