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Subject: words from Mr. Mac
bob the brit    9/19/2007 8:50:56 PM
i was exploring that video tube thing and found this. i tried to add it as a link but i'm computer challenged and got confused so just go to this website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nlEoQWLVEU&mode=related&search= watch it the whole way through, see what he says about the wing (well the reg in general) i can see this starting quite the debate. i wish mac could come on here and talk, you'd all hate him, i loved him, i didn't realise he was on telly though, what else has he done on TV? mough, seen as you survived the stoning maybe you can fill me in a bit on this
 
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bob the brit       9/19/2007 8:52:32 PM
bloody hell it's like magic, i originally typed the web address and it's automatically turned into a link (so it's that simple) technology these days, i tell ya
 
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ArtyEngineer    Attempt at Embedding Video   9/19/2007 8:56:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_nlEoQWLVEU width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">
 
Hope this works
 
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ArtyEngineer    one more try   9/19/2007 8:58:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/_nlEoQWLVEU width=425 height=350 type=application/x-shockwave-flash wmode="transparent">
 
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ArtyEngineer    Feck it anyways   9/19/2007 9:00:30 PM
There is a way to get the actual youtube viewer "Embedded" in a post but I appear not not be proficient in the proper "Incantations"
 
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GOP       9/20/2007 11:37:29 AM
Ugh. Yeah, when you have an attitude like "we taught everyone everything, and we will never be topped" thats about the time you get your eyes opened. That attitude is a killer (literally) in that business, and it seems to have infested itself in the unit itself (and definitely former members, not you though Bob). So, the SAS taught everything to the units like
 
CAG
DEVGRU
GIGN
KSK
JTF2
 
So, I guess that makes them better. Or maybe Mac is just full of shit. Who knows?
 
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bob the brit       9/20/2007 3:33:48 PM

Ugh. Yeah, when you have an attitude like "we taught everyone everything, and we will never be topped" thats about the time you get your eyes opened. That attitude is a killer (literally) in that business, and it seems to have infested itself in the unit itself (and definitely former members, not you though Bob). So, the SAS taught everything to the units like

 

CAG

DEVGRU

GIGN

KSK

JTF2

 

So, I guess that makes them better. Or maybe Mac is just full of shit. Who knows?


macalese was the kind of man made for the regiment, and i mean made for it, he was an excellant soldier and a great friend. if you've ever seen footage of the iranian embassy siege, he's the one caught on tape going through the front window. in the older days everyone thought like that (a lot of the old hands still do) hell i used to profess the same thing, then i couldn't care less, because i knew no matter what, we could do our job, and that's all that mattered. Mac was never full of shit, just a staunch individual (kind of like a very devout catholic) as for teaching those units you mentioned, i'll let you in on a little secret (don't worry, it's not opsec, and i'm not bound to that secrecy act or whatever it's called) bak in my day, it was always a case of "can you come and help us", we were always the first asked, and it seemed we never had to ask others to come help us at the lines, we were always the ones traveling.
The reg did more than just paper work during the founding of both CAG (whatever happened to Delta?) and JTF2 (a lot for them guy's, they were very new to the scene, the only closely resembling thing before was SERT or something with the RCMP)
KSK, not as much (they were more akin to the shakies) but GSG 9 yes (even though they were elite boder police/CT)
DevGru i'm not sure but there was definitly some interaction
GIGN yes but they were already quite competant and had spearheaded their own ideas before they even began.
and obviously a whole host of other CT teams from around the world.
as for teaching them everything they know? no obviously but we did give them the founding principles, tactics, and ideas they they have now all gone to build on (especially depending on their area of op's, ie maritime CT have built on the principles to suit a waterborne environment)
i don't want to start another pecker comp' with what i've said, it's just the way it happened, i can't help that
 
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GOP       9/20/2007 3:46:54 PM




Ugh. Yeah, when you have an attitude like "we taught everyone everything, and we will never be topped" thats about the time you get your eyes opened. That attitude is a killer (literally) in that business, and it seems to have infested itself in the unit itself (and definitely former members, not you though Bob). So, the SAS taught everything to the units like



 



CAG



DEVGRU



GIGN



KSK



JTF2



 



So, I guess that makes them better. Or maybe Mac is just full of shit. Who knows?




macalese was the kind of man made for the regiment, and i mean made for it, he was an excellant soldier and a great friend. if you've ever seen footage of the iranian embassy siege, he's the one caught on tape going through the front window. in the older days everyone thought like that (a lot of the old hands still do) hell i used to profess the same thing, then i couldn't care less, because i knew no matter what, we could do our job, and that's all that mattered. Mac was never full of shit, just a staunch individual (kind of like a very devout catholic) as for teaching those units you mentioned, i'll let you in on a little secret (don't worry, it's not opsec, and i'm not bound to that secrecy act or whatever it's called) bak in my day, it was always a case of "can you come and help us", we were always the first asked, and it seemed we never had to ask others to come help us at the lines, we were always the ones traveling.
The reg did more than just paper work during the founding of both CAG (whatever happened to Delta?) and JTF2 (a lot for them guy's, they were very new to the scene, the only closely resembling thing before was SERT or something with the RCMP)

KSK, not as much (they were more akin to the shakies) but GSG 9 yes (even though they were elite boder police/CT)

DevGru i'm not sure but there was definitly some interaction

GIGN yes but they were already quite competant and had spearheaded their own ideas before they even began.

and obviously a whole host of other CT teams from around the world.

as for teaching them everything they know? no obviously but we did give them the founding principles, tactics, and ideas they they have now all gone to build on (especially depending on their area of op's, ie maritime CT have built on the principles to suit a waterborne environment)

i don't want to start another pecker comp' with what i've said, it's just the way it happened, i can't help that


I have no doubts whatsoever he was an excellent soldier, I just get tired of the bs that these guys seem to spout (and I'm speaking about guys in every unit on earth). Being asked to help is not "teaching them everything they know" or whatever the phrase Mac used.
 
Please don't take my comments as a knock at you at all Bob, I respect the hell out of you. I just think the whole competition thing gets old. Did any of you guys ever have competitions or training exercises between each other? How did they go?
 
I'm sure DEVGRU had more in line with the SBS and less with the SAS.
 
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bob the brit       9/20/2007 3:53:08 PM








Ugh. Yeah, when you have an attitude like "we taught everyone everything, and we will never be topped" thats about the time you get your eyes opened. That attitude is a killer (literally) in that business, and it seems to have infested itself in the unit itself (and definitely former members, not you though Bob). So, the SAS taught everything to the units like





 





CAG





DEVGRU





GIGN





KSK





JTF2





 





So, I guess that makes them better. Or maybe Mac is just full of shit. Who knows?







macalese was the kind of man made for the regiment, and i mean made for it, he was an excellant soldier and a great friend. if you've ever seen footage of the iranian embassy siege, he's the one caught on tape going through the front window. in the older days everyone thought like that (a lot of the old hands still do) hell i used to profess the same thing, then i couldn't care less, because i knew no matter what, we could do our job, and that's all that mattered. Mac was never full of shit, just a staunch individual (kind of like a very devout catholic) as for teaching those units you mentioned, i'll let you in on a little secret (don't worry, it's not opsec, and i'm not bound to that secrecy act or whatever it's called) bak in my day, it was always a case of "can you come and help us", we were always the first asked, and it seemed we never had to ask others to come help us at the lines, we were always the ones traveling.
The reg did more than just paper work during the founding of both CAG (whatever happened to Delta?) and JTF2 (a lot for them guy's, they were very new to the scene, the only closely resembling thing before was SERT or something with the RCMP)



KSK, not as much (they were more akin to the shakies) but GSG 9 yes (even though they were elite boder police/CT)



DevGru i'm not sure but there was definitly some interaction



GIGN yes but they were already quite competant and had spearheaded their own ideas before they even began.



and obviously a whole host of other CT teams from around the world.



as for teaching them everything they know? no obviously but we did give them the founding principles, tactics, and ideas they they have now all gone to build on (especially depending on their area of op's, ie maritime CT have built on the principles to suit a waterborne environment)



i don't want to start another pecker comp' with what i've said, it's just the way it happened, i can't help that




I have no doubts whatsoever he was an excellent soldier, I just get tired of the bs that these guys seem to spout (and I'm speaking about guys in every unit on earth). Being asked to help is not "teaching them everything they know" or whatever the phrase Mac used.

 

Please don't take my comments as a knock at you at all Bob, I respect the hell out of you. I just think the whole competition thing gets old. Did any of you guys ever have competitions or training exercises between each other? How did they go?

 

I'm sure DEVGRU had more in line with the SBS and less with the SAS.


don't worry GOP (i still want to know want that stands for) i don't get knocked very easily (not by {no offense} kids especially)
competitions no (i find those ranger, swat, whoever else competions rather silly, maybe because i'm an old boy now)
training exercise, some but not to many, they were sort of an annual occasion if that. and that wasn't every squadrn at once either, a couple i think weren't even a full squadron, one of the troops would go here or something lke that, the wing did more of that kind of stuff.
 
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GOP       9/20/2007 4:00:10 PM













Ugh. Yeah, when you have an attitude like "we taught everyone everything, and we will never be topped" thats about the time you get your eyes opened. That attitude is a killer (literally) in that business, and it seems to have infested itself in the unit itself (and definitely former members, not you though Bob). So, the SAS taught everything to the units like







 







CAG







DEVGRU







GIGN







KSK







JTF2







 







So, I guess that makes them better. Or maybe Mac is just full of shit. Who knows?










macalese was the kind of man made for the regiment, and i mean made for it, he was an excellant soldier and a great friend. if you've ever seen footage of the iranian embassy siege, he's the one caught on tape going through the front window. in the older days everyone thought like that (a lot of the old hands still do) hell i used to profess the same thing, then i couldn't care less, because i knew no matter what, we could do our job, and that's all that mattered. Mac was never full of shit, just a staunch individual (kind of like a very devout catholic) as for teaching those units you mentioned, i'll let you in on a little secret (don't worry, it's not opsec, and i'm not bound to that secrecy act or whatever it's called) bak in my day, it was always a case of "can you come and help us", we were always the first asked, and it seemed we never had to ask others to come help us at the lines, we were always the ones traveling.
The reg did more than just paper work during the founding of both CAG (whatever happened to Delta?) and JTF2 (a lot for them guy's, they were very new to the scene, the only closely resembling thing before was SERT or something with the RCMP)





KSK, not as much (they were more akin to the shakies) but GSG 9 yes (even though they were elite boder police/CT)





DevGru i'm not sure but there was definitly some interaction





GIGN yes but they were already quite competant and had spearheaded their own ideas before they even began.





and obviously a whole host of other CT teams from around the world.





as for teaching them everything they know? no obviously but we did give them the founding principles, tactics, and ideas they they have now all gone to build on (especially depending on their area of op's, ie maritime CT have built on the principles to suit a waterborne environment)





i don't want to start another pecker comp' with what i've said, it's just the way it happened, i can't help that







I have no doubts whatsoever he was an excellent soldier, I just get tired of the bs that these guys seem to spout (and I'm speaking about guys in every unit on earth). Being asked to help is not "teaching them everything they know" or whatever the phrase Mac used.



 



Please don't take my comments as a knock at you at all Bob, I respect the hell out of you. I just think the whole competition thing gets old. Did any of you guys ever have competitions or training exercises between each other? How did they go?



 



I'm sure DEVGRU had more in line with the SBS and less with the SAS.




don't worry GOP (i still want to know want that stands for) i don't get knocked very easily (not by {no offense} ki
 
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lacon22       10/17/2007 6:08:12 AM

i was exploring that video tube thing and found this. i tried to add it as a link but i'm computer challenged and got confused so just go to this website:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nlEoQWLVEU&mode=related&search=" target=_blank>link

watch it the whole way through, see what he says about the wing (well the reg in general) i can see this starting quite the debate. i wish mac could come on here and talk, you'd all hate him, i loved him,
i didn't realise he was on telly though, what else has he done on TV?
mough, seen as you survived the stoning maybe you can fill me in a bit on this


What do you do for a living (im really curios now! after seeing that link).
 
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