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ArtyEngineer RE:SEAL team 6 - Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG) a/k/a: Dev Group, DEVGRU 10/2/2005 9:28:29 PM

Not sure where the info in this site comes from but seems on the surface a pretty good link

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Horsesoldier RE:SEAL team 6 10/3/2005 11:31:49 AM

>>I do not know much about SEAL team 6, other than it is a SEAL team which specializes in CT operations. My question is this: Why does the Navy need a Counter-Terrorist capability? All SEAL teams are capable of hostage rescue, and the only situations that will warrant a SEAL team in CT would be a hostage situation on a cruise ship, and all SEAL teams train for this. Delta is primarily made for CT/hostage rescue, and are very capable of fast roping out of a helicopter onto a cruise ship, so why the need for SEAL team 6?<< A pretty good question. In practice, current operations seem to focus on the notion that ST 6 and Delta are interchangeable, and, more generally SEAL Teams can fill in for Army SOF assets. In reality, this has not tended to work out well. I'd recommend Sean Naylor's "Not a Good Day to Die: The Untold Story of Operation Anaconda" for a pretty good look into the Delta/SEAL relationship, among other things. >>I am not an expert at all on this, but it just seems to me to be a way for the Navy to get into the action in the War on Terrorism << It was actually a way for the Navy to get into the counter-terrorism business back during the Reagan years. SEAL Team 6 or whatever they are calling themselves this week have been around for quite some time.

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GOP RE:SEAL team 6 10/4/2005 10:53:52 PM

>"In practice, current operations seem to focus on the notion that ST 6 and Delta are interchangeable, and, more generally SEAL Teams can fill in for Army SOF assets."< If they basically have the same skill set as Delta, then why do we need them? Every SOF unit has a specific place in the SOF world, they all have different TOE's, etc. Navy SEALs are divers and then land warriors, Delta is CT only. I just don't see the need for SEAL team 6, I think they should be re-classified with another mission.

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EW3 RE:SEAL team 6 - GOP 10/4/2005 11:05:14 PM

Ever been on a ship? It is a very different environment than a regular building. It's actually fun to watch the first timers move through a ship. There are no stairs as you know them, they are very steep. Finding your way around a ship in the dark can be pretty difficult. They provide a hostage rescue team and a CT capability which is designed to work in a unique environment.

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moughoun1 RE:SEAL team 6 - GOP 10/5/2005 2:06:11 PM

EW3 is right, ct/hr on a ship is a difficult art, they practice it most, they also carry out other functions land side, beyond what a "normal" SEAL team do, also CAG is not just for CT Gop.......they do other stuff

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GOP RE:SEAL team 6 10/6/2005 7:17:56 PM

How do you get chosen for SEAL team 6? Are you selected, or do you volunteer? If it is somewhat like Delta, then I might need to study it more closely

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moughoun1 RE:SEAL team 6 10/6/2005 11:44:54 PM

they look for exceptional SEAL's who they then ask to join although during the training course if the guy just doesn't click with it, he's told and RTU'd.............but that will not go in his record, he's a good SEAL, just not the one they need, no harm no foul......some guy's can do great stuff in combat swmming, SR, DA ect in a regular SEAL team, but they just might not fit right with some of the paramilitary stuff DEVGRU does

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EW3 RE:SEAL team 6 10/6/2005 11:59:34 PM

"but that will not go in his record, he's a good SEAL, just not the one they need, no harm no foul" well said. My guess is they are looking for specific mental qualities rather than physical capabilities. Hostage work requires patience, patience, patience. Most SEALS are very agressive by nature. They are very smart, but they are agressive. My guess is the screening process is to get agressive people that can be patient, which is usually an oxymoron. Looking for that 1 in 1000 from a group that is already 1 in 1000.

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Horsesoldier RE:SEAL team 6 10/17/2005 8:00:50 PM

>>If they basically have the same skill set as Delta, then why do we need them? Every SOF unit has a specific place in the SOF world, they all have different TOE's, etc. Navy SEALs are divers and then land warriors, Delta is CT only. I just don't see the need for SEAL team 6, I think they should be re-classified with another mission. << That isn't how it works in the real world. The real world situation is that the US military develops a range of capabilities/units, some with redundant capabilities (i.e. ST 6 can do some stuff Delta can do, vice versa; Rangers can do some stuff Marine MEU(SOC)s can do, vice versa; 160th SOAR can do some stuff AFSOC can do, vice versa). Then we get a conflict. Military politics are that people who are important to the fight get funding, people who are not so involved get deprioritized. So the GWOT kicks off on 9/11 and SEAL Team 6 and the rest of Navy Special Warfare units are looking for work (like everyone else -- they want in the game because its game time and some dirt worshipping savages need smiting, not just because of interservice politics). So ST 6 and other SEAL units and the rest of NAVSPECWAR start politicking to get into the game, and they get some missions that may be better handed off to Delta, or the Rangers (i.e. SEALs, Panama, Air Field "seizure" mission . . .), etc. Sometimes they end up doing things they don't really have any business doing, either from enthusiasm for getting into the fight or from a need to justify their budget, and sometimes things consequently go very wrong. Which is not to say that the Navy or NAVSPECWAR has a lock on such things, all the services do it, both their conventional and special ops branches. And if Al Qaeda only operated off cruise ships, I guarantee you that US Army Special Operations Command would be slinging guys through scuba school like there was no tomorrow.

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GOP 8/28/2008 10:43:34 PM

You type a civilian no experience post every time.Therefore where did you get that writing ability

on this subject/object? All of you are doing it,all at the same time...Therefore one signal and bouncing mine!

You do realize that the guy you are bad mouthing is extremely experienced on these things...Im not going into details, because those are his...but the guy is, almost certainly, far more experienced then you in special operations.

Cviilian no experience post? Get off of it dude. The Military is not some super duper secretive thing at most levels. Heck, alot of my good friends are in the military. I have trained with dozens of guys in the military, even some in SOF units. One was dumb as heck. Let's quit the civilian bashing here. You 'may' have been in BUD/S 234, great (no idea if you made it or not). Just know that alot of SEAL's don't share your opinions on things AT ALL. They also do not sit around SP in the commando's forum bringing up 2-3 year old posts and arguing with fellow SOF guys.

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mough 8/28/2008 11:27:29 PM

You must have worked in PSY-OP's because your posting absolute bollock's and a lot of it.....also it seem's to be in a foregin language to us English speaking people's.......do you want a donkey for breakfast Mr nahasapempetilan?

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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED 8/29/2008 2:10:20 AM

lol, im the guy that does the PSY-OPS in my airsoft team. but im getting tired of the "SEAL dude" aka reshtet going on and on about how hes a SEAL, SEALs are humble, kind, caring people, they care for the needs of others and have no thought to their safety or discomforts, Reshtet you dont fit that description, im not saying all SEALs are like that, im trying to get a point through that, because of the training and missions they do theres just no room for mistakes, and people that want to play the hero, or be "Rambo" as some ppl call it, can mess things up for a SEAL team, because the guys that play the heroes are usually the ones who are cocky, preppy and unproffesional, and you cant have that in the SEAL teams, or anywhere else really, now to the topic of whether the navy should disband SEAL team 6 or DEVGRU

(Navy Developmental Group) wouldnt be a good idead, since all the platoons train for a different area of Warfare, (i.e. SEAL team 10 trains for SR, SEAL team 1 trains for DA) it gives it so that instead of everyone all training in the same subject and every subject, they train for one Subject and become FLAWLESS in it, all SEALs know how to do any ype of warfare from, Over the Beach, to Clandestine Surreptious Entry into Iran to blow up Facilities that produce Harmful materials(raids.) so its a good thing to have a certain group to be training in 1 area, still masters in all areas but honing there talents in CT, especially one the Navy tried to kep secret but it leaked, since it would be nice to have a Secret CT team, but since it leaked it wasnt, and whats the point of disbanding it when it so useful to have one. thx guys. c ya l8er. goin to bed.

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Old Grunt Oh the vanity (press)! 8/29/2008 6:54:11 AM

You have mentioned no actual SOF Knowledge except for book knowledge,since I read most books on the subject.

And I bet you've written a few haven't you?!

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static 8/31/2008 3:59:41 PM

I mentioned once I was in specwar dude! Therefore you have a seared conscience from pretending to know

and being given high-fives too long....

What on God's green earth are you talking about? You do realize that you resurrected a three year old thread to try and bash this guy right?

And you can surf in Texas. Glen Campbell wrote a song all about it.

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static 9/3/2008 10:56:15 PM

What on God's green earth are you talking about? You do realize that you resurrected a three year old thread to try and bash this guy right?

And you can surf in Texas. Glen Campbell wrote a song all about it.

I'm dissing your strategy....You don't live on or near a base do ya? Then you would understand....

Well as a matter of fact I do live near one... and have for going on twenty years now.

You want to diss my strategy? Ok feel free... but I haven't even given you any strategy yet. Which is sort of an auto-diss on your own strategy.

But I digress. Right now its more fun watching you try to pick through the "static" and sarcasm than trying to talk you into a hole. All in good time.

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