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Yimmy RE:Guatemalan Special Forces - 5/25/2005 11:42:36 AM

My money would be on the bad guys - unless the Territorials have gone through the jungle wafare course. Even if they were SAS, take someone who has never done the training, and stick them in a jungle against someone who has, and you can't expect good results.

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GOP RE:Guatemalan Special Forces - 5/25/2005 2:54:20 PM

The territorial forces have, I believe, gone through jungle training in Belize. Obviously, Guatamala might win in the first few hours, but they are not going to attack because they don't have hardly any military combat power and would be defeated quickly by the British (and maybe US forces)

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machetevolador RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/26/2005 12:06:20 PM

Kaibiles : One of the best anti-guerrilla units in the Americas. I have pics but i dont know how to post them here.

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Yimmy RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/26/2005 1:07:30 PM

"The territorial forces have, I believe, gone through jungle training in Belize" I believe TA can go on the jungle warfare course, however I doubt many have, and even less complete units will have. I can't think of any reserve units off-hand where it is a standard piece of training. Maybe 4 para do it after their parachute course? I know Marines do a 2 weeks arctic warfare course after the Commando course, maybe they do jungle warfare training after that?

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Iano RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/26/2005 2:33:39 PM

I have NEVER heard of a territorial/reservist unit undergo jungle training like that. I'm sure there are individuals or small numbers of people who have, but I dont believe there are TA units earmarked for possible jungle operations - although I know the 51st Highland has a mountain soldiering role. However your posts have given me a great idea about TA training... Maybe when the parent battalion (ie for us read RWF/RRW) undergoes specialist training, so should the TA equivalent... For example our parent units are/were armoured or mechanised, a lot of the guys who got mobilised for Iraq found themselves riding around in Warriors and Saxons with no prior experience of this (just the build-up training). So maybe small cadre of instructors from TA unit could go with the reular unit. Not everybody, resources are stretched thin enough as it is. But send about 2-3 NCOs per platoon. Enough to be able to pass on the knowledge to the rest of the lads in the event they have to deploy in that role. Actually talking of units I know 22 SAS have to do jungle phase so I should imagine 21 and 23 have at least a proficiency in that area... Ian

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Yimmy RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/26/2005 6:19:11 PM

Iano, you will probably find many experienced PSI's in the TA will have done such training themselves in the regs - they would probably only need a quick refresher course to teach their unit. Of course, it is hard to teach a soldier how to jump out the back of a warrior, without the warrior, and even harder to teach them how to fight in a jungle, without the.. er, jungle? heh

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Iano RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/27/2005 4:59:50 AM

Yeh, but at least having a few guys who have done it, they would at least be able to give the rest of the lads a heads-up. Perhaps you could say assign one Warrior per coy/bn to TA supporting armd units and let them train on it? Maybe a better way is frequent training sessions together with their regular parent units?

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Yimmy RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 5/27/2005 8:48:43 AM

"Maybe a better way is frequent training sessions together with their regular parent units?" Maybe, but you can only fit so many training weekends into the year, and you can not sacrifice others that are needed. I like the idea of giving one warrior to the TA unit for practice though, "No it's MY turn to play with it!"

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silverwolf RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 9/29/2005 9:22:10 PM

Some of you got it right, like for instance the training is one of the hardest or if not the hardest one to become a Kaibil, it doesn't matter if you loose your life, when the final exam comes is either you survive or you die. The training also involves risking your life (example grenade training) all of the training is live, so only the best make it. Some countries have come to train as a Kaibil, but do not go all the way for the obvious reasons. Also Israeli military have trained the Kaibiles. (Kaibiles is plural) There are Kaibil in Mexico as well but a variant of them. The real Kaibil are Guatemalan. As for what you mentioned about the bayonets and the dogs, that's not accurate the training on the other hand DOES involve the use of any means for survival, if you have to kill a dog to survive, it's what's got to be done. There are no limits to the training, and there is no second chance... Guatemala does not have a big army or real technology advantage, but when it comes to special forces missions, one of the top SF would be the Kaibil.

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kaibil1944 RE:Guatemalan Special Forces 1/15/2006 12:49:06 PM

Well im From Guatemala and im capacitated as one, first of all the training takes place in Peten poptun base, the peten weather its very high its a hot and dry, the training its 3 months long, they have to survive in the jungle as part of a test for more than 15 days just with one knife nothing more, the 3 months of training are like years, the learn how to survive, how to attack, how to ambush, how to be undetected, how to climb threes with nothing , how to camuflage, how to cruce rivers, make long runnings, long swimming with equipment, walks, war exercises with live fire, rapels, etc. The kaibil its one of the top SF in the world, its an ANTI Guerrilla Force, and in the jungle is undetectable and capable of take any enemy. The kaibil equipment is not modern as the other special forces , they dont have night vision and that type of equipment , they move in night like predators with night training and can use their low equipment and make it 100% effective. If you take Green Berets in a Jungle against kaibiles you will note that the Kaibiles will take them out. Dont judge a Special Force just for its country, yeah we are a third world country but shure the kaibiles without technology use what they have at a 100%.

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