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Subject: Is this real? CAG recruiting video?
GOP    6/22/2007 1:37:46 AM
Whatsup guys? I was looking on youtube for CAG videos, and got none, so I searched for Delta Force videos and found this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O-UR1grFYVs Supposedly a real recruiting video for CAG. I was thinking to myself that there was no way this is real, because it shows faces of the operators among other things I didn't think CAG or the Army would want the regular public to see. Also, the music selection sucks. I will say though that the room clearing throughout the video looks EXTREMELY smooth and fast (this is coming from the untrained eye though). The shooting in the vid is also solid. One of the things that didn't add up was that at around 1:30 of the video, the group of operators HALOing are identified as SEALs on military.com and I believe navyseals.com. Thoughts? I know it isn't important at all, but if this is real then is it possible we will be seeing CAG recruiting videos on TV soon?
 
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mough       7/12/2007 7:32:44 PM
Well it's out there so it does not matter now, youtube, "delta force rescue"
 
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mough       7/12/2007 7:37:38 PM
couple of points, 1, prepare for cheesyness on the music and some of the production, and 2, tit's D force not SEAL's dispite what it says in there
 
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Nichevo    Ohhh...   7/13/2007 2:54:17 AM
If it's any consolation, I saw this a while back.  Very hard for me to understand what was going on, I could not tell if they engaged any enemy at all or found an empty (but for hostages) house.

OTOH, nice to see us putting out that level of effort for natives.

 
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GOP       7/15/2007 2:04:13 PM

D'oh! 


It's not that GOP, it just seems that every video of the SEALS is commercialized crap we have already seen. And quite frankly, anything post 1989 is not worth listening to.




I was all ready to groove with the SEALs but in fact I have to say, the CAG operators looked better.  More toys with the SEALs maybe - dune buggies were cooler than the CAG ATVs; they had machine guns, grenade launchers and such - but the SF group looked like they were doing actual work; they look like they get the call, whereas the SEAL stuff all looked like training.  Kinda like the USA and France when selling weapons - the US has a track record.

Also, in terms of "looking better," I mean specifically: 

a)  The whaddyacallit (I am not a troop) stack for room clearing:  worked much better in the CAG video, although it was interesting to see the "behind-the scenes" look of the SEAL video.  Was also impressed with the portrayal of live friendlies in the room clearing by CAG.

b)  and this goes to the sound (yes, Yimmy, no doubt we should be using Coldplay or the Verve; I agree that older is better generically and that "House of the Rising Sun" would have done nicely, not to mention "Light my Fire" or "Are You Experienced," but oh well. 

I digress: my point was that the CAG video sound seemed not to overwhelm the shooting, whereas I could hardly tell when the SEALs were shooting or not.  In particular I was impressed with the silky smooth pistol work; one sees such craziness in films, but now I feel I know the maximum possible speed for a human being to fire and hit (every time no doubt) with a pistol.

c)  I liked the covert aspects (look at me, Ma, I'm wearing a sheet!) and in general the separateness of what they do.  They look like a special force - from the two I would say this looks much more like "The Unit."  The SEALs look much more like guys with guns, almost just like infantry really.

I do not think the SEAL video flattered them at all.  Again, neither music was acceptable on its own merits, but in the CAG video it at least did not detract from the film's impact.

Meanwhile, I assure you, if any of those gentlemen were to ask me for my wallet, I would give it to them.
 
In all actuality, CAG has the better toys. They both were training vids. Forget the Dune Buggies, you are much more likely to see SEALs on ATV's than their dune buggies, especially when deployed. CAG also trains heavily with machine guns, "grenade launchers" (you referring to the AT4's in the vid?), etc.

A) Yeah, CAG "looked" like they had their shit together much more than the SEALs. Of course, they should. CAG is a tier 1 unit with a CT designation, so their room clearing should not only look better, but be better. And it is I believe.
B) Not a big fan of those songs.
 
C) Don't ever compare SEALs to "guys with guns" or "infantry". I know you guys think they are terrible operators, but they get the job done and are highly professional. DEVGRU is equivalant to CAG, only with a water/coastal focus. I would say that DEVGRU, while not as good as CAG at land warfare, are better than CAG in the water and around the water.
 
 
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GOP       7/15/2007 2:08:02 PM

couple of points, 1, prepare for cheesyness on the music and some of the production, and 2, tit's D force not SEAL's dispite what it says in there


What is up with the SEALs getting credit for alot of CAG actions in the media? I remember watching that CAG recruiting video (the first I posted), and the part where they are HALOing in was claimed to be SEALs by militaryphotos.com and military.com. I don't get it really. The publics lovefest with NSW is getting very old, and this is coming from a guy who had similar career aspirations.
 
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dirtykraut       7/16/2007 12:17:14 AM
I wouldn't exactly call CAG and DEVGRU equivalent organizations. I believe CAG has broader capabilities, which is probably more to do with the fact that they are an army unit. But before you crucify me I will say that this is only what I have heard. I admit that my knowledge of SOF units is limited to the internet, books, and the odd soldier with nice little anecdotes, as it is a casual interest for me, not a way of life.
 
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GOP       7/16/2007 1:53:42 AM

I wouldn't exactly call CAG and DEVGRU equivalent organizations. I believe CAG has broader capabilities, which is probably more to do with the fact that they are an army unit. But before you crucify me I will say that this is only what I have heard. I admit that my knowledge of SOF units is limited to the internet, books, and the odd soldier with nice little anecdotes, as it is a casual interest for me, not a way of life.



It''s all good man. I also believe CAG has broader capabilities than DEVGRU as far as more tasks, etc. If you mean they are more capable, then it would depend on the area. If you are talking more capable in land warfare, then I'd agree (although I feel DEVGRU has some serious skills there too). Obviously DEVGRU is gonna be slightly better in water or coastal enviroments, so add water to the mix and I feel DEVGRU has the advantage.
You know guys, most SEALs don't go around thinking they are the best at Land warfare, they know the water and coastal enviroments are their home, so you will almost never hear a SEAL argue that they are the best at land warfare, etc. Now, you will have some smartass officers get on TV spouting NSW's party line, but all units have guys like that. You get an experienced NCO on TV and they won't typically be talking like that. You also won't typically encounter a guy from another unit bad mouthing NSW (or any other group), as they all pretty much know each others strengths and weaknesses. One last thing to remember with all of the badmouthing of SEALs that has been allowed to happen on this site: The SEALs did not choose to go 1,000+ miles from the ocean and into Afghanistan, SOCOM did. SEALs were designed primarily for combat swimmer ops and precision DA ops, not rucking 100lb packs around mountains looking for bad guys, so all of the problems with the SEALs is not their faults, they were not properly trained to do that job. In fact, it just goes to show you how smart and adaptive some of those guys are that they haven't had even more screw ups. It would be like sending SF or CAG to go 300 miles off sure in a SDV and do Recon on an OPLAT, probably not going to go perfectly (although like the SEALs, SF and CAG can and would learn quickly). Why did they have such great success in Vietnam? Because they primarily operated in a marshy wet enviroment in the Mekong Delta hitting the enemy hard and fast...using boats and getting on land quickly, hitting the target, and getting out...classic DA combined with water (their specialty). Someone attacks SEALs in every thread in some small way (and sometimes big ways...not saying you did at all Dirtykraut), so thought we should set the record straight. Also, don't think I'm taking up for NSW because I have career aspirations...thats over and done. I'm unbiased nowdays. In fact, if I had a chance to join the military, it would probably be in the Army or USMC. More options and better fallback plans. 
 
WAAAY off topic, so sorry.
 
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Nichevo       7/16/2007 2:58:36 AM
GOP, I can only go on what I saw/what they showed us in the films.  I would assume that as SOF they all have enormous (per-man) budgets, at least that is the stereotype.

by grenade launchers, I mean that the SEALs had on their dune buggies at least one of what looked like a Mk19 AGL.  I know what an AT-4 is (d'oh, not that I could necessarily tell one from a SMAW, Spike, Milan, whatever) as opposed to a thing that looks like a fat short .50 M2 BMG.

Well, we agree, they did look better.  And as I said, they did more interesting stuff.  The SEAL video should have been written, or directed, to show them at better advantage.  Why not show being shot out of a torpedo tube or something?  All they seemed to do was, as I said, infantry stuff.  Not in the style of "never knowing they were there."  I have no beef with SEALs, all I know is their rep which is a) "wild" and b) "the best."  They probably have a lot of talents which, to repeat myself, were not well reflected in that video.

 
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dirtykraut       7/16/2007 11:01:53 PM
Some excellent points GOP. We probably don't give the SEALS enough credit for being able to adapt to something so different from what their mission is so quickly. I am sure they have had many successes. Anyways, it's not like these threads never go off topic, so why don't you want to go give BUD/S a try anymore? I know you stated a while back that you had some medical issues, but stuff like that is usually waiverable. All they care about is if you meet the standards they are looking for, not if you had a mild history of asthma. They may sound like they are going to make a big deal about it but they don't. They gave me crap for a broken wrist that I broke two years before I enlisted, all it is is beuracracy, and it almost never becomes a case where you cannot join the military or an elite unit because of small medical issues. And as far as the fall back thing, if you have a good ASVAB score and a good PT score they won't have you chipping paint. The worst thing that can happen is that they will assign you an A school you may not want. Enlisted Navy is not a bad place to be if you don't make it or if you get injured.  There is a lot of travel in the Navy, and your always doing something useful, unlike the army where there is a lot of hurry up and wait. If you enlist you get experience in whatever you do, and even a 3 or 4 year stint will make you more marketable in the civilian job world than the vast majority of your peers. Anyways, if serving is what your into, enlisting would be a good idea. If self serving is what your into, ROTC would be a good idea. You really can't go wrong with enlisting, and without sounding like a recruiter, you will never have to regret not joining the military. And quite frankly that is something a lot of Americans do regret.
 
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