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Subject: MARSOC FMTU Info
SCCOMarine    3/5/2007 7:03:20 PM
This is some info on the FMTU for those interested. Some background, personnel, training, scope and mission statement of the FMTU.
 
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SCCOMarine       3/5/2007 7:06:25 PM
 
The Foreign Military Training Unit
 
June 2006
 
The Foreign Military Training Unit (FMTU) was originally formed to meet the US Marine Corps' operational requirements for advisors in Iraq and Afghanistan, then it transferred to the US Special Operations Command to relieve the operational tempo demands of the special operations forces. It then refocused toward neutralizing emerging threats elsewhere in the developing world by training and advising foreign militaries.

As its short and convoluted history is discussed, the one constant has been the idea that FMTU would be responsible for creating professional advisor teams to develop foreign militaries utilizing a holistic, long-term approach.

The Foreign Military Training Unit (FMTU) is a unique unit with a unique mission. It is a unit that was originally formed to meet the Marine Corps' operational requirements for advisors in Iraq and Afghanistan, then it transferred to the U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCom) to relieve the operational tempo demands of the special operations forces (SOF), and finally, it refocused toward neutralizing emerging threats elsewhere in the developing world by training and advising foreign militaries.

In its short and convoluted history, the one constant has been the idea that FMTU would be responsible for creating professional advisor teams to develop foreign militaries utilizing a holistic, long-term approach. The primary focus of FMTU has always been to provide foreign internal defense (FID) assistance to developing countries.

The ungoverned spaces within and across these countries often harbor subversives, terrorists, insurgents, and lawless elements. They, in turn, recruit, train, plan, and conduct operations against law-abiding nations. To counter these threats, FMTU focuses on training counterterrorist forces in small unit, light infantry, and counterterrorist tactics. Thus, instead of directly going after these terrorist elements, FMTU seeks to utilize the "indirect approach" of building others' capabilities-in other words, FMTU is a unit of kingmakers, not kings.

Structure and Background

The FMTU is structured with a staff composed of the normal functional areas, plus its own internal training cadre. Major subordinate elements are 2 companies of 12 teams each. Company A was activated in April, and Company B is scheduled for activation in spring 2007.

The company headquarters (HQ) (see Figure 1) is designed to be deployable as a command and control (C^sup 2^) node, similar to a Special Forces' Operational Detachment Bravo/Charlie. Current issues for the company HQ include building their staffs, gaining the necessary equipment to be operational, and identifying a time/mission for deployment in a C^sup 2^ capacity.

The teams themselves have 11 Marines. (see Figure 2.) The two officers of the team are a Marine major (team leader) and a captain (assistant team leader), both with the 9911 (unrestricted ground officer) military occupational specialty.

The enlisted members of the team include an 0369 (infantry unit leader) gunnery sergeant as the staff noncommissioned officer in charge, a communications Marine (0621), a corpsman (8404/8425), an 0331 (machinegunner), 0341 (mortarman), 0351 (assaultman), and three 0311s (riflemen). The target grade for the Marines is sergeant.

FMTU is continuing to assess the individual roles, structure, and personnel of the teams. Should a major be on the team? Should one of the 0311s be replaced by an intelligence/counterintelligence Marine? Should a similar change be made for an engineer?

These are questions that will be addressed as the command gains operational experience. In the meantime, FMTU has incorporated provisional specialist training to generate very narrowly defined capabilities in the aforementioned functional areas.

FMTU's initial operational focus was on the nations in the Pan-Sahel region of Africa. The original mission statement was "to train and provide deployable teams for tailored basic military combat skills training and advisor support" to foreign military forces. However, in October 2005 the secretary of Defense directed the establishment of a Marine special operations component to USSOCom.

In February the U.S. Marine Corps Forces Special Operatio

 
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smitty237       3/5/2007 8:54:22 PM
It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 
 
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BadNews       3/5/2007 10:06:07 PM

It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit?

Her it is in simple terms.
 
1) The FMTU will be doing foriegn training just as the US Army special Forces have for 50 years.
 
2) To the say 'The Corps piece of the pie' is a bit misleading, When SOCOM was formed, it was the CORPS choice not to participate, the reasoning was that the assets that would be better used supporting MEU operations and other contingencies of an Amphibious reconnasaince nature. The GWOT, and operational structure changes in the Corps, (MARSOC) changed the attutude of Corps leadership, that coupled operational needs of SOCOM facilitated the change.
Also, since 2003, marine units such as Force Recon, and elements from selecte MEUs were assuming more and more training related missions that made this the right thing to do at the present time. 
 
3) It is more a matter of total US operational requirements and better use of resources. The FMTU will not be limited to just Naval Infantry training, it will be conducting very similar missions as that of US Army SF forces.
 
And you are also correct, this does not have to turn into an Army vs Corps thread, it is not a turf issue. It just the Corps doing it's part for in future Operational requirements of SOCOM, that is all
 
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SCCOMarine       3/6/2007 5:36:46 PM

It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 


Hey smitty look at the opening post of my thread, what does it say?  I didn't start this thread to be a pissing contest, its just to layout some info on the FMTU.
Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie? 
 
NO, if you would have read this article or any article about the unit without trying to disect it to discredit it, then you would have read the unit was formed per request from SOCOM to the Marine Corps.  SOCOM wanted more teams to expand the mission of training Anti/Counter-Terrorism and Special Operations Forces worldwide.  All of the tasks it performs are per request of SOCOM.
So does that still seem odd to you smitty?  If it still seems odd to you then question the party who made the request.
 
Following your logic I guess the Corps should have said no right?  "No SOCOM, we're not going to honor your request for more teams.  We know you need to expand the mission but ppl might think we're trying to steal your money." 
 
Its comments like these that start my threads into an up roar!  Not b/c "no questions a dumb question" but look at how you even present the questions.  All Pious, "Why would they make a unit like SF" "They just want SOCOM's $"
 
Who the F*(k are you? Monday morning Quarterback, Coach Couch?  If you have a question ask it, but save the f*(king attitude for the fantasy football league.
 
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SCCOMarine    smitty   3/6/2007 5:52:20 PM
If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 

Tell me why would that make sense to you?  The Regular MC already does that.  The aim is to train more Special Operations and Anti/Counter-Terror Forces.  In one form or another these skills are inherent throughout the MC so SOCOM made the request.  Plus the SF needed to be freed up to pursue another mission that they excel in, Unconventional Warfare.
 
So is the picture clearing up?  Does it make more sense now?  I'm not trying to be a Smart Ass but look at how you posed your post.
 
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Horsesoldier       3/6/2007 8:55:05 PM

It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 



Yeah, pretty much.  MARSOC reflects the USMC's slowly dawning realization that special operations, unconventional warfare, FID, etc., are where the action is.  Only took them 20 odd years to get with the program . . . hey, as SCCOMarine loves to claim, they're innovators. 
 
Basically all the FMTU represents in particular is that USMC can now do JCETs, and plans to train foreign SOF with non-SOF personnel.  Should be interesting to watch if there are any credibility issues with that one.  Probably play well with the third-string nations, not sure how well it will play with folks who have actual, skilled SOF communities . . .
 
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RockyMTNClimber    SOCOM 'tude   3/6/2007 9:53:00 PM




It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 




Hey smitty look at the opening post of my thread, what does it say?  I didn't start this thread to be a pissing contest, its just to layout some info on the FMTU.

Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie? 

 

NO, if you would have read this article or any article about the unit without trying to disect it to discredit it, then you would have read the unit was formed per request from SOCOM to the Marine Corps.  SOCOM wanted more teams to expand the mission of training Anti/Counter-Terrorism and Special Operations Forces worldwide.  All of the tasks it performs are per request of SOCOM.

So does that still seem odd to you smitty?  If it still seems odd to you then question the party who made the request.

 

Following your logic I guess the Corps should have said no right?  "No SOCOM, we're not going to honor your request for more teams.  We know you need to expand the mission but ppl might think we're trying to steal your money." 

 

Its comments like these that start my threads into an up roar!  Not b/c "no questions a dumb question" but look at how you even present the questions.  All Pious, "Why would they make a unit like SF" "They just want SOCOM's $"

 

Who the F*(k are you? Monday morning Quarterback, Coach Couch?  If you have a question ask it, but save the f*(king attitude for the fantasy football league.


SoCom, You come off here as a loud mouth jerk. Who the F**K are you? Not much I'd guess.
 
Shove the attitude son.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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BadNews       3/6/2007 10:13:24 PM




It appears that the Marine FMTU teams will be doing the exact same job that the Army Special Forces have been doing for over fifty years.  Is the purpose of the FMTU to provide additional units to the US military to train foreign troops, or is it an attempt by the Marine Corps to get their piece of the SOCOM pie?  I'm not interested in participating in one of those Army vs. Marine Corps pissing matches that seem to rage on some of SCCOMarine's threads, but I just find it a little odd that the Marine Corps would start a unit that seems to do the exact same that the Special Forces have been doing for decades.  If the FMTU teams primarily trained foreign marine or naval infantry soldiers then it would make a little bit more sense, but would that alone justify creating such a unit? 





Yeah, pretty much.  MARSOC reflects the USMC's slowly dawning realization that special operations, unconventional warfare, FID, etc., are where the action is.  Only took them 20 odd years to get with the program . . . hey, as SCCOMarine loves to claim, they're innovators. 

 

Basically all the FMTU represents in particular is that USMC can now do JCETs, and plans to train foreign SOF with non-SOF personnel.  Should be interesting to watch if there are any credibility issues with that one.  Probably play well with the third-string nations, not sure how well it will play with folks who have actual, skilled SOF communities . . .


Horse Soldier,First of all, It's funny soldiers in the Army SOF community never seem to question USMC Force Recon personels abilities, only people here do.
What seems more apparrent, is you continuous pissing contest with SCCCO Marine. I grant you that his over zzealous approach briings alot of it on himself, but you always seem to be around to push his buttons.
 
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smitty237    Bad News and SCCOMarine   3/7/2007 12:04:26 AM
First of all I want to thank Bad News for his intelligent and respectful response.  He seemed to recognize that my question had some merit and seemed to agree that there was no need for a pissing match on the subject.  I had never heard of this unit, and I'm sure a lot of people will have some of the same questions I had, and I appreciate Bad News' attempt to address those questions.
 
As far as SCCOMarine goes............you post some very long but informative posts about the Marine Corp, but are seemingly intellectually or emotionally incapable of engaging in any sort of debate regarding your posts.  SP is a site in which military veterans and afficionados keep up with current military events and engage in healthy debate.  If you don't want people asking questions or taking issues with your threads, then I'm sure there are some Marine oriented sites out there where everyone will applaud and tell you how great and smart you are.  This is not one of those sites.  The only thing that has become clear to me is WHY your threads become pissing contests, and this because you are an insufferable pr*ck, and with all due respect you can kiss my Army infantry @$$. 
 
You can say anything you want from here, SCCOMarine.  I won't be visiting this thread or any others you start for quite some time. 
 
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smitty237    Bad News and SCCOMarine   3/7/2007 12:04:43 AM
First of all I want to thank Bad News for his intelligent and respectful response.  He seemed to recognize that my question had some merit and seemed to agree that there was no need for a pissing match on the subject.  I had never heard of this unit, and I'm sure a lot of people will have some of the same questions I had, and I appreciate Bad News' attempt to address those questions.
 
As far as SCCOMarine goes............you post some very long but informative posts about the Marine Corp, but are seemingly intellectually or emotionally incapable of engaging in any sort of debate regarding your posts.  SP is a site in which military veterans and afficionados keep up with current military events and engage in healthy debate.  If you don't want people asking questions or taking issues with your threads, then I'm sure there are some Marine oriented sites out there where everyone will applaud and tell you how great and smart you are.  This is not one of those sites.  The only thing that has become clear to me is WHY your threads become pissing contests, and this because you are an insufferable pr*ck, and with all due respect you can kiss my Army infantry @$$. 
 
You can say anything you want from here, SCCOMarine.  I won't be visiting this thread or any others you start for quite some time. 
 
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