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Subject: from the horse's mouth
bob the brit    1/3/2007 12:37:49 AM
alright this should these numerous pecker competitions. Fact: every spec operator, upon entry, is informed that they are now a member of the finest fighting unit in the world (as i noted in a previous thread, it wouldn't be too good for troop morale if you were told otherwise) Fact: you are NOT told that you are the best at everything militarily, just what your skill is, either specialised or standard. Fact (well sensible opinion lets say): there is no such thing as one unit teaching every other spec unit in the world to do something, it's more a reciprocal SWAP!!! of information (eg. SBS showcases their proven way of successfully exfil'ing a sub-launched underwater delivery vessel and reconning & securing a beach to the SEALs and the SEALs showcase their method. what then often happens is a new method is created taking the finer points of each units' method. (NOTE: this is just an example, don't argue over it, that would be silly). Fact: when in the company of another spec unit, operators don't usually boast about being better than the other, if they do, they're f**king around and having a laugh (suprisingly on a much more mature level than many of the pecker contest threads on this site) allied special forces respect one another, if they didn't they likely would have been weeded out during the first week or so of selection/training. special forces don't need gung ho james bond types, you wouldn't believe how many turn up at the breacons in wales (which takes me to my next point)... you cannot say one selection process is harder than another by using initial numbers compared to final acceptance... why? because there is never any telling how many silly little maggots want to join a spec unit because they saw the embassy seige on BBC and think they're the next james bond. secondly, saying things like "SAS selection is tougher than BUD/S" is childish no matter how hard your mate Dave said the Pen Y Fan was. BUD/S and SAS selc' are too different in so many ways. I likely would have failed BUD/S all the underwater training would have done me right in (i have a minute fear of water) however, swimming lengths in BT, then swimming rivers in wales, and a small amount of underwater testing was my cup of tea, i handled it fine. so don't bicker about which selections are tougher, 'cause unless you try them all, you don't have a f**king clue. Fact (don't take this as a spark for arguement): for just about all of the major counter terrorist ops atleast one SAS operator has been present, but here's the real truth, they haven't told the spec unit involved how to run things, they've advised or absorbed (they see how the operation runs, take the info back to HQ, look at the pros and cons, discect the details and outcome... why? to learn from it), the Reg' will be one of the first spec units you'll find saying there are always things they can improve on and they always look for better ways of doing things.. i'm quite positive that all spec units have this attitude. p.s. too all of you in specific who say that the SAS is the best and better than any other unit in the world, you know who you are, STOP IT, A.) it's not appreciated, B.) if you're british, then it is very un-british of you, and C.) you don't have a bloody clue and you don't know what the SAS is all about p.s.s. to all those who read my dribble to the end, thank you, i hope (if you are not already mature enough to find these pecker comp's silly) you have absorbed a bit of what i have said.
 
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GOP       1/8/2007 12:28:11 PM































summer selec' by the way mough, what about you?











SFS=seperation from service, should have made that clear, so you were in untill 91?, I'm quite a bit younger then you, but we may know some of the same old hands, you know Steven Hughes, they called him TWIP?, he would have been there around then






Aha! So you are in SOF somewhere...SASR?





no GOP the barbie brigade




Mough = Ken?



I assure you, I have a penis.....


OK, but I bet Navy SEALs...ahh, forget it

 
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mough       1/8/2007 12:50:51 PM


























summer selec' by the way mough, what about you?











SFS=seperation from service, should have made that clear, so you were in untill 91?, I'm quite a bit younger then you, but we may know some of the same old hands, you know Steven Hughes, they called him TWIP?, he would have been there around then








  
Dark haired lad?... name rings a bell, what sqdrn? and yeah sfs was 91 may, i asked to be moved from squadron service mind mid' 80's and was put on the pagoda research team. did a lot of out of town transfers to keep 'the lines' up to date on other units CRW skills. i applied for the transfer after an ankle mis-hap during the falklands (well not entirely true, i was still on bloody ascension), anyway, you still in or not? i'm guessin not, i never had time for stuff like this... you must know the three musketeers (or muskequeers as i always called them/ big mac, newlands, and mad, A squaddies)









Guys, not trying to ruin your conversation at all, but I don't think you should be giving out this kind of information about SOF units/operators names/years, etc. I would recommend email or some other form of private communication. I could be completely off base of course, but strategypage.com is open source and units like the SAS is completely (absolutely positively) closed source.




why? what's it going to hurt?... GOP little bit of advice (not in a harsh way kid just friendly) all information i myself give out is most likely already in the public scope, i wont go into nitty gritty things because i still have that measure of respect, i am not bound to secrecy about my time in the SAS because i did not join when the official secrecy act was in effect, if my memory serves me correctly (which i hardly doesw these days) the lad mough mentioned is no longer in reg' service, which means anyone wanting to could likely look his name up in a phone book or regular service records. secondly, as i am unsure as to who is still serving or not, i only give nicknames (kind of like a code as it were between mough and i)... you must also remember mate that a lot has likely changed within the reg' since my days, you could say i was semi old school. never will i give details that i think are mutually exclusive to the SAS or any other SF unit because as i said before i have a wee bit of respect. trust me kid whatever i comment about my time will never compromise anyone ex or serving SAS. also, you shouldn't get too caught up in the secrecy of SF units like the SAS, they were the BBC... how's that for secrecy. final words, people writing about the sas under pseudonyms are (in my eyes) a joke (in fact pseudonyms are a good way of telling if a book is going to be embellished or not), as an old RSM used to say for history to have a purpose, it must be written as accurately as possible. as i said before kid don't take this little chit chat in a bad way, i'm not tryin' to get at you.



I understand completely, you are right...I just didn't want for any "classified" (as cliche and cheesy as that is) information to get put out on a open website, or any personal names to be put out because do these people really want their private lives put out on a message board?

I invite you  to look as hard as you can to dig up anything on any of these guys, their names are so mundane and common, it's really doesn't matter

 
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mough       1/8/2007 12:52:07 PM







































summer selec' by the way mough, what about you?













SFS=seperation from service, should have made that clear, so you were in untill 91?, I'm quite a bit younger then you, but we may know some of the same old hands, you know Steven Hughes, they called him TWIP?, he would have been there around then







Aha! So you are in SOF somewhere...SASR?






no GOP the barbie brigade





Mough = Ken?




I assure you, I have a penis.....



OK, but I bet Navy SEALs...ahh, forget it


A SEALs penis retracts inside it's body as a protection against the cold.....

 
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bob the brit       1/8/2007 1:14:40 PM

legendary? if only people knew...

anyway mough, when you serve?

 

 
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GOP       1/8/2007 1:18:38 PM
Mough, good point. I'm not interested in looking up other peoples names on the internet, as that would make me a computer geek in a way. So are these retractable penises issued at BUD/S, SQT, during the workup, or on deployment? It gives a whole new meaning to "shrinkage"
 
 
 
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bob the brit       1/8/2007 1:29:27 PM
mough, you weren't in the war of the naps (gulf) were ya? guess what serious is up to these days... advising f**king computer game producers... what a nob end
 
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Yimmy       1/8/2007 1:30:49 PM
Bob, I am really rather interested in the Falklands Conflict, would you be happy with sharing what you were up to at the time?  Did you ever go to the Falklands?
 
Going by the dates you were in, I would assume you will have been to NI a couple of times or so?  Most of the senior PSI's I have met in the TA seem to have gone to NI from anywhere between 3-5 times, as though it were their fav holiday spot in the sun.  I have head some very outlandish, and very entertaining, stories from them also.  The troubles were such an "old boy" tour I'm rather sad I will never get a go. :)
 
 
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bob the brit       1/8/2007 2:22:16 PM

Bob, I am really rather interested in the Falklands Conflict, would you be happy with sharing what you were up to at the time?  Did you ever go to the Falklands?

 

Going by the dates you were in, I would assume you will have been to NI a couple of times or so?  Most of the senior PSI's I have met in the TA seem to have gone to NI from anywhere between 3-5 times, as though it were their fav holiday spot in the sun.  I have head some very outlandish, and very entertaining, stories from them also.  The troubles were such an "old boy" tour I'm rather sad I will never get a go. :)

 


Falklands?... well yimmy, i'll tell you as much as i remember... for a start, i never actually made it to the falklands. an eight man contingent from b squad went to tierra del something or other (arggy mainland, near chile i think) but all didn't go to plan, bit of a fall out occured between certain members, bit of a mix up with princy too. anyway i wasn't part of that, i was with the rest of the b squaddies at the lines, where we were made to do mock attacks on airfields (brush up on training and test different techniques) we wanted to go for real, but the head sheds weren't happy at all (the maps available were shite and the aerials given by the yanks were apparently more useless than turd, basically the intel just wasn't there (bloody green slime)) then news came along the line that they wanted us to go in by herc and turn the arggy airfield at rio grand noisey, fact is we'd have likely been f**ked before even cockin our weps... so that ended in a no go. why? the reg' ain't shock troops something like that would have been best suited to the red berries but even then casualties would have been high. after a while DLB got pissy, bagged the squad' commander. we then were under the realm of crooked ian (ian crook) who seemed a bit more on the edge and ready to go. basically DLB was a bit gung to launch a pointless attack and we weren't so he fired our squad co. anyway under crooked, we got shipped out to ascension where DLB did a complete change of face and said that the mission was hopeless and pointless (about time too, we would have been f**ked i reckon) then rosey (mike rose) came up with the idea of having us launch an attack at port stanley landing in hercs. anyway a lot of us donned these long white rubber noses and one lad cut up a couple of white bed sheets into bands, then we scribbled what looked like chinese letters and tied 'em round our heads. we became known as the long nosed kamikazes as every mission plan for us had involved the large chance of certain defeat and annihilation. it was on ascension that i fudged up my ankle. couple of us were havin' a kickabout when one nob kicked my ankle instead of the ball. ofcourse i stupidly thought it was nothing serious and went to lie down and take my weight of it. it latter turn out that i had ripped a couple of ligaments and didn't get it fixed properly. around 1985, shit hit the fan in botswana so b squaddies (including me) go thrown over there via kenya (we did a lot of training there before and i think that was our cover or something) infiled botswana and did trained BDF (bots' def' force)... that's all i can remember of that time at the moment.
 
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Yimmy       1/8/2007 5:07:51 PM
 couple of us were havin' a kickabout when one nob kicked my ankle instead of the ball. ofcourse i stupidly thought it was nothing serious and went to lie down and take my weight of it.

 
Yeah well, most grown men realise kicking is for girls. :)
 
 
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bob the brit       1/8/2007 5:31:45 PM
i guess i shouldn't have kicked the ball from infront of him at that exact moment
really cocked up my career, after time in bot's, i started realising that my ankle was very weak... hard to run, play footy or ruggers, so i got an "office" job
 
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