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jamesbaf    1/1/2007 7:07:23 PM
For a start the US Navy Seals wouldn't be able to complete the British Royal Marines(RM) training course and the RM aren't out of shape.The US Marines work on the upper body strength(so do the RM)but the RM know that the bigger you get the slower you get. Back to the topic the SAS are a lot better than the Seals because their training is a lot tougher and they are trained to do what the Seals can't do.You can ask any Seal and they will tell you that the SAS are better,The SAS do the same job as the Seals but the SBS are also better than the Seals. People can believe what they want but everybody with any knowledge of the military will tell you the SAS would beat the Seals.
 
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GOP       1/1/2007 7:27:41 PM
You must be a little kid, and a utterly retarded little kid at that. Your opinion is more porous than a sunken ship. I will say though that from your writing style and your uneducated way of putting things, you must be very young...and most young kids are idiots when it comes to the military.
 
If you are implying that SEALs are out of shape, then you are a complete idiot. Navy SEALs probably have the highest level of fitness in SOCOM (and the SOF community as a whole), they pride themselves on this. You are dumb for comparing RM selection to SEAL selection (BUD/S). SAS selection is one tough sob though.
 
"The US Marines work on the upper body strength(so do the RM)but the RM know that the bigger you get the slower you get." - You are way out of your league here kid. The USMC PT program is a total body fitness program, and their members are extremely fit. As far as the whole "bigger = slower thing", you have no clue what you are talking about. If you follow the right kind of workout program, you can build speed/power/strength/endurance all while gaining mass. It's called Undulating Periodization.
 
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Yimmy       1/1/2007 8:24:55 PM
I do agree with the "bigger = slower" thing myself.

You cannot really escape it, as muscle is heavier than fat, so the "bigger" you get, the far greater proportion of weight you have to carry compared to an athletic bloke.  For the same degree of leg muscle strength and lung power, the "bigger" guy will always be slower than the slim guy.

But then, some athletic types I doubt could do 20 pushups.  You have to find a healthy balance.  I think you will find the majority of guys big above the waist in the military are REMF's.

It is the stereotype that American soldiers are all muscle up top, while they have no endurance (a stereotype which is of course not the total truth, and hardly helped by Hollywood icons such as Rambo and Arnold), but I have always been under the impression that the SEALs are the group who buck that trend - their being slim athletic types, being strong swimmers.


 
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GOP       1/1/2007 8:46:18 PM

I do agree with the "bigger = slower" thing myself.

You cannot really escape it, as muscle is heavier than fat, so the "bigger" you get, the far greater proportion of weight you have to carry compared to an athletic bloke.  For the same degree of leg muscle strength and lung power, the "bigger" guy will always be slower than the slim guy.

But then, some athletic types I doubt could do 20 pushups.  You have to find a healthy balance.  I think you will find the majority of guys big above the waist in the military are REMF's.

It is the stereotype that American soldiers are all muscle up top, while they have no endurance (a stereotype which is of course not the total truth, and hardly helped by Hollywood icons such as Rambo and Arnold), but I have always been under the impression that the SEALs are the group who buck that trend - their being slim athletic types, being strong swimmers.



I am not talking about undergoing a bodybuilding/hypertrophy based program, but you can certainly gain 10-15lbs of muscle (above your natural weight) and gain speed/power/endurance/strength...it's relatively easy. It's funny, because here in the states, the average British soldier is portrayed as a super skinny guy with bird legs and bird chest.
 
Yeah, most SEALs aren't very big. The average being around 5-10" 180lbs. I guess all of the high intensity PT, miles of swimming, miles of running, obstacle courses, and FTX's aren't good for building much size, but are awesome for building athletic ability.

 
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Yimmy       1/1/2007 8:54:47 PM

It's funny, because here in the states, the average British soldier is portrayed as a super skinny guy with bird legs and bird chest.



Whats funny about that?

*looks in mirror*

 
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GOP       1/1/2007 9:32:07 PM




It's funny, because here in the states, the average British soldier is portrayed as a super skinny guy with bird legs and bird chest.





Whats funny about that?

*looks in mirror*


It's funny because the US soldiers and muscular guys like me will be getting the ladies...you British soldiers will have to resort to vaseline and a hand...
 
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Yimmy       1/1/2007 9:47:19 PM
I don't know about that GOP, a little birdie told me that if I went to your home town and gibbered in my very British accent and flashed my British army dress uniform I bet I would do better with the girls than yourself!

Of course, I am yet to try that theory out, but now I meet with the drinking age in your country it's a tempting thought. :)

What are your plans now anyway GOP, what with this medical condition of yours?  Still going for military, or SWAT?  I expect now that you have had time to dwell on it, you may have a better idea.  I certainly wouldn't let it hold you back from your ambitions.  I myself have an eyesight disorder (a mild nystagmus), which knocks me out of many jobs and makes shooting well a challenge.... but you still have to go for it.


 
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bob the brit       1/1/2007 10:07:47 PM
Bloody hell Jamesbaf, people like youhave got to stop this "my dick's bigger than your's" bullshite. now i love the Reg' and i loved every minute of my service with them, but i don't go around saying their the best in the world like a bloody pre-pubescent schoolgirl. whatever unit you're in from the SAS to the bloody green howards, you're told you're the best of the best in the world, wouldn't be much of a f**king morale boost if your drill sarge' said "now listen lads, you're bloody good but them GROM lads from Poland could kick the shit out of you". and GOP us brits may have our hands and vaseline but at least they won't be complaining about me ejaculating prematurely... TOUCHE!!!
no but seriously GOP, just kiddin'... you enjoy you're ladies and i'll enjoy my hand (no my wife... shit) lol
 
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GOP       1/1/2007 10:59:01 PM

I don't know about that GOP, a little birdie told me that if I went to your home town and gibbered in my very British accent and flashed my British army dress uniform I bet I would do better with the girls than yourself!

Of course, I am yet to try that theory out, but now I meet with the drinking age in your country it's a tempting thought. :)

What are your plans now anyway GOP, what with this medical condition of yours?  Still going for military, or SWAT?  I expect now that you have had time to dwell on it, you may have a better idea.  I certainly wouldn't let it hold you back from your ambitions.  I myself have an eyesight disorder (a mild nystagmus), which knocks me out of many jobs and makes shooting well a challenge.... but you still have to go for it.



Yeah, that dang British accent is a chick magnet. Me and my friends went to town and in several stores and talked in our fake little British accent just because we were acting stupid, and the looks we got were hilarious. Of course, a bigger, more muscular birdie told me that if I go to Britain with a trident, then the ladies will basically hop on me...
As far as my plans, I really >want< to be a Navy SEAL still, but what actually happens is still up in the air. Actually, me and my bro-in-law were talking 2 days ago about it, and he pretty much told me to call a recruiter and tell him my situation, and see what his opinion is. So after the holidays are over I plan on doing that and seeing what he says. If that doesn't work out, then I would love to be a personal trainer (clarification in a minute) and pursue a MMA career. Are your goals SAS?
When I say Personal Trainer, I mean more of a athletic trainer...I would really love to train serious athletes eventually.
 
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GOP       1/1/2007 11:13:59 PM

Bloody hell Jamesbaf, people like youhave got to stop this "my dick's bigger than your's" bullshite. now i love the Reg' and i loved every minute of my service with them, but i don't go around saying their the best in the world like a bloody pre-pubescent schoolgirl. whatever unit you're in from the SAS to the bloody green howards, you're told you're the best of the best in the world, wouldn't be much of a f**king morale boost if your drill sarge' said "now listen lads, you're bloody good but them GROM lads from Poland could kick the shit out of you". and GOP us brits may have our hands and vaseline but at least they won't be complaining about me ejaculating prematurely... TOUCHE!!!

no but seriously GOP, just kiddin'... you enjoy you're ladies and i'll enjoy my hand (no my wife... shit) lol


I'll be enjoying your wife too, just at seperate times of course....
 
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bob the brit       1/1/2007 11:19:35 PM
"at separate times ofcourse" thank god for that, i don't like sharing my vaseline
anyway, on a more serious note, what unit you in GOP, or are ya from civy street?
oh and i think my wife might be a bit old for you, but i guess experience counts these days... lol
 
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