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Subject: SEAL Falls on Grenade to save comrades (link)
GOP    10/14/2006 9:57:55 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_on_re_us/navy_seal_killed Unbelievable bravery and courage displayed here. He has been recommended for the Medal of Honor, and he deserves it in my opinion.
 
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GOP       10/14/2006 10:02:32 AM
I also should have added that he was the 2nd SEAL killed in Iraq, and the 18th killed (16 killed in Afghanistan, 11 of which were killed in 1 helicopter crash near the Pakistani border) in the WOT.
 
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Heorot       10/14/2006 11:26:58 AM
I agree that the guy will probably and deservedly get the MOH but, and this is a big but, how did an Iraqi get close enough to lob that grenade without being spotted.

It was a static position on a roof with only one approach. I would have thought that he should have been spotted long before he had a chance to throw it. We are talking about supposedly elite troops here.




 
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Heorot       10/14/2006 11:47:55 AM
I agree that the guy will probably and deservedly get the MOH but, and this is a big but, how did an Iraqi get close enough to lob that grenade without being spotted.

It was a static position on a roof with only one approach. I would have thought that he should have been spotted long before he had a chance to throw it. We are talking about supposedly elite troops here.




 
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EW3       10/14/2006 1:51:31 PM
 
elite does not equal omniscient and omnipotent.
 
In a CI war, there is no such place as a secure location.  It depends on the surrounding terrain and a lot of other factors we will never know to determine if their position was even close to secure.   These guys travel in small numbers which reduces the numb of Mk I eyeballs available for observation.   They create security by stealth.  It's a tradeoff. 
 
 
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Tiber1       10/14/2006 2:23:17 PM

I agree that the guy will probably and deservedly get the MOH but, and
this is a big but, how did an Iraqi get close enough to lob that
grenade without being spotted.



It was a static position on a roof with only one approach. I would have
thought that he should have been spotted long before he had a chance to
throw it. We are talking about supposedly elite troops here.










It could have been a kid or someone with a superman type arm. Could have been just luck on the thrower's part. If it was an urban area, it might have had tons of blindspots...
 
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mough       10/14/2006 2:27:51 PM

 

elite does not equal omniscient and omnipotent.

 

In a CI war, there is no such place as a secure location.  It depends on the surrounding terrain and a lot of other factors we will never know to determine if their position was even close to secure.   These guys travel in small numbers which reduces the numb of Mk I eyeballs available for observation.   They create security by stealth.  It's a tradeoff. 

 


I was going to write something similar, but damn, what do I know that the armchair commandos don't?
 
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Horsesoldier       10/14/2006 4:44:10 PM

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Unbelievable bravery and courage displayed here. He has been recommended for the Medal of Honor, and he deserves it in my opinion.

The story sounds to me like the security man for the element did his job in an exemplary and selfless manner.  I'd agree he deserves the MOH.  Whether or not he gets it?  Purely politics, really.  I'd not want to be the staff officer whose signature block is on the downgrading of the request (if that happens) and it ever gets leaked, though . . .
 
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GOP       10/14/2006 10:43:50 PM

I agree that the guy will probably and deservedly get the MOH but, and
this is a big but, how did an Iraqi get close enough to lob that
grenade without being spotted.



It was a static position on a roof with only one approach. I would have
thought that he should have been spotted long before he had a chance to
throw it. We are talking about supposedly elite troops here.










These hidesights are not undiscoverable. Alot of hidesights are discovered by kids (who are naturally very curious), and sometimes the insurgents just get lucky.
 
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