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Subject: Insertions and Opposed Boardings
gf0012-aust    5/24/2006 1:27:39 AM
This one's been triggered by a thread on the armed forces board about national training - specifcally the issue of dealing with hijacked commercial shipping. I'm interested in seeing who does what in some countries. I'm not interested in techniques as I've got some familiarity with current operators so know what they do. The question is, what national forces in each country are used for dealing with terrorists hijacking commercial ships (eg cruise liners) In australia it generally seems to lie with local specialist police if its within range of a major city and the vessel is still in national waters. if its outside of that area and still in national waters, then the training is much more integrated with both the specialist police and military if its international waters and australian nationals are involved, then its the SAS. Some of you might be aware that my daughter is part of a civilian contracted maritime security detail, and she is always indicating that the vessels practice water and airborne insertions with specops personnel. It certainly appears to be a very regular training event with various aust forces. they also do the same with the Italians (homeporting for some of the merchant fleet) and with the French (primary port visits) The Italians are supposed to be Carbinieri who are streamed for specops, The French appear to be specialised Gendarmerie
 
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Grenadier Voltigeur    RE: France   5/24/2006 6:21:05 AM
The units who are designed to this job are the well known GIGN and the Commandos Marine's ECTLO (Escouade de Contre Terrorisme et de Libération d'Otages - CounterTerrorism and Hostage Rescue Squad). http://le.cos.free.fr/gign.htm http://le.cos.free.fr/ecmc.htm They often train together. The GIGN brings its experience in close quarter combat and the Marine Nationale's guys theirs in maritime intervention.
 
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Yimmy    RE: UK   5/24/2006 6:51:13 AM
Obviously the SBS, and then the SAS.
 
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Yimmy    RE: UK   5/24/2006 11:57:02 AM
And just thought I would point out again that I am incredibly jealous of your daughters line of work.
 
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GOP    RE: US   5/24/2006 11:57:53 AM
DEVGRU would be assigned the task.
 
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Lawman    RE: US   5/24/2006 12:53:32 PM
Unless the local PD are feeling ambitious...
 
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Grenadier Voltigeur    RE:Italia   5/24/2006 1:43:43 PM
The italian unit designed to handle maritime counter-terrorism is the GOI (Gruppo Operativo Incursori) from the COMSUBIN (Italian navy special forces)
 
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gf0012-aust    UK - Yimmy   5/24/2006 6:49:14 PM
"And just thought I would point out again that I am incredibly jealous of your daughters line of work." yeah, she's "as happy as larry", meanwhile I'm getting early onset of grey hairs ;)
 
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Horsesoldier    RE: US   5/24/2006 7:54:58 PM
>>DEVGRU would be assigned the task. << They'd be the preferred force and are the national level asset tasked for such, but there are scenarios where, say, regular SEALs or MEU(SOC) MSPF would do the mission (or, hell, USAF security police, which almost happened with the Mayaguez back in the bad old days). The reality would tend to be more like the situation gf0012-aust described concerning Australia, more or less. There's lots of redundancy within US SOF capabilities, and "good enough" can be the enemy of "best" in a lot of scenarios.
 
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GOP    RE: US   5/26/2006 5:42:33 PM
>>They'd be the preferred force and are the national level asset tasked for such, but there are scenarios where, say, regular SEALs or MEU(SOC) MSPF would do the mission (or, hell, USAF security police, which almost happened with the Mayaguez back in the bad old days). The reality would tend to be more like the situation gf0012-aust described concerning Australia, more or less. There's lots of redundancy within US SOF capabilities, and "good enough" can be the enemy of "best" in a lot of scenarios.<< I understand, but they would definitely be prefered (and I am 90% sure they would get the task). The fact is, that almost any SOCOM would be able to do the job with relative ease (if there wasn't some kind of bomb/time line/whatever), because as we know terrorists are very unprepared to go against SOF...Kind of hard to prepare when a door is kicked in, a flash grenade is thrown in, and the shooting starts and ends all in about 5 seconds.
 
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EW3    RE: US   5/26/2006 9:52:34 PM
While there is value in trying to put SOFs on the ship, their effectiveness will be in part effected by the bad guys. If they are good, it's bad. I'd rather just torpedo the screws so it no longer can move. That dramtically changes the game. Takes away a lot of their options.
 
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