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Subject: Devgru training/selection process
GOP    5/20/2006 6:56:44 PM
Sorry, this is not another "who's better trained" thread, but does anyone have any info on Devgru's training? I haven't found any open source info on their selection process, and was just curious if anyone knew anything about their training?
 
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mough    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/21/2006 7:48:48 AM
and you won't find any, DEVGRU are as tight as a duck's bottom about everything, after Mr Marchinko's little escapades. but it's not too dis-similar to what CAG do but with slightly more focus on NSW, and it's less a selection more of an invitation to try process, there have been lot's of very good SEAL's, the best in fact, who have failed in attempt's to join DEVGRU, that just show's how hard it is.
 
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Ehran    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/21/2006 11:54:05 AM
i've read the washout rate is 75% for final selection.
 
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GOP    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/21/2006 1:16:42 PM
>>and you won't find any, DEVGRU are as tight as a duck's bottom about everything, after Mr Marchinko's little escapades. but it's not too dis-similar to what CAG do but with slightly more focus on NSW, and it's less a selection more of an invitation to try process, there have been lot's of very good SEAL's, the best in fact, who have failed in attempt's to join DEVGRU, that just show's how hard it is.<< That is what I figured...Iit is probably best that they are quit about things. I was just curious as to how a SEAL would prepare for Devgru training, if they were invited.
 
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mough    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/22/2006 6:17:26 AM
i've read the washout rate is 75% for final selection.<< yep, and those guy's are all SEAL's starting out, tough as my Mother, and she's hardcore :)
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/22/2006 9:49:32 AM
>>That is what I figured...Iit is probably best that they are quit about things. I was just curious as to how a SEAL would prepare for Devgru training, if they were invited. << Most likely hitting the PT a bit harder than normal to get into top shape and probably not anything else. One presumes DEVGRU's assessment process for potential new recruits will not involve anything new to a trained SEAL, but simply demonstrating you can do the things a trained SEAL should be able to do in a top-of-your-game, even under sucky conditions and with tons of self-induced stress weighing on you, sort of way. Of course, I might be wrong, and the real weedout might be after everything else when potential new members are brought into a classroom and told they have 30 minutes to solve a number of differential equation problems . . . but that's not what I'd put money on . . . And, your question presumes that DEVGRU calls and says, "Chief Schmedlap, we'd like to evaluate you in four months, get ready . . ." I would not rely on that being the case.
 
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mough    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/22/2006 10:08:42 AM
Horsesoldier, your partly right, have to thread carfully here, opsec,, yes they have to preform at the top level expected, but also they have to show competency in thing's a normal SEAL wouldn't be particularly knowlagable in, it's more like SAS continuation, your being evaluated while being trained, some guy's, great combat swimmer's,ect don't make it, because of the more constrained, if that's the right term, nature of the work, although the majority of failure's are the usual, injuries, failure to meet target's, quiet a high proportion are the "Mate call", ie, the DS call a guy in for a chat and basically tell him that he's great and all, just maybe this is not what he's most suited for, just because these guy's are SEAL's, does not mean they are cut out for the very sneaky beaky World of what a tier 1 unit might be doing, a guy may be able to swimm mile after mile and blow aship up, it doesn't mean he could for example infiltrate a city as was done by the Brit's in Basra during OIF
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/22/2006 10:14:56 AM
I'd agree the less said about portions of special unit's missions/capabitlieis that go outside the Hollywood-centric realm of direct action, probably the better. But strictly talking about prepping for evaluation, there's not a whole lot one can do to prepare for the really secret squirrel side of Tier One operations, in any case . . .
 
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mough    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/22/2006 11:28:28 AM
But strictly talking about prepping for evaluation, there's not a whole lot one can do to prepare for the really secret squirrel side of Tier One operations, in any case . . .<< I phrased that poorly, they are looking more for the adabtability and capability to do such work, and not everyone,and sometimes not even "regular" SEAL's are ....cut out for this type of thing, alot of it's monotanous and boring, a bit like police work sometimes, some guy's just don't like it, alot of the back role CT gig, is hurry up and wait, and to a guy coming from a go go SEAL team, it might not be what they were expecting or want.
 
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Ehran    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/23/2006 11:40:58 AM
i've read the washout rate is 75% for final selection.<< yep, and those guy's are all SEAL's starting out, tough as my Mother, and she's hardcore :) minor miscue there. it was the seal course itself that had a 75% washout rate not devgru. sorry.
 
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mough    RE:Devgru training/selection process   5/23/2006 12:14:43 PM
minor miscue there. it was the seal course itself that had a 75% washout rate not devgru. sorry.<< It's not much different for acceptence for DEVGRU, pass/acceptence rate's go between 65-80%, that includes guy's who apply but are not accepted to try out due to whatever reason,it's considerably higher success rate for guy's who get onto the course,an 80%+ pass rate, you have to understand though, not getting in is not really considered a failure back in the team's, they are all SEAL's and if your given the Mate talk" it just mean's this is not a line of the business your suited to
 
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