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Subject: Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN
GOP    5/18/2006 12:08:29 AM
Who wins??? I go with NAVY SEALS!


Alright, time to end all of this SOF vs SOF garbage. Basic rules:

Rule 1: SOF combat divers cannot be compared with SOF CT, etc. Statements such as Navy SEALs vs SAS are impossible to compare. You must at least be comparing similar units to have a true comparison in training.

Rule 2: SOF units are made up of people, which are all different and have different skill levels. SOF units are impossible to compare because each small team in a particular unit has different people which make up that small team. If we follow rule 1, and compare SOF CT Teams, then CAG may have a better small team than the SAS...and vice versa. It all varies when dealing with people.

Rule 3: It is impossible for people out of the loop (ie: Civilians like me, Active or former regular military, etc) to compare current SOF units without relying on both old information, possible biased information, or just plain wrong information.

Rule 4: Post like "Navy SEALs vs British SAS" will NEVER yield any conclusive evidence and will NEVER yield anything productive.

Rule 5: NEVER COMPARE SOF UNITS! BOTTOM LINE.
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       9/25/2009 3:29:29 PM
Hahahaha, God, wow......
I do hope you know I was talking to the guy who said he was a SEAL.
I hate SEAL phonies, why pretend to be something you're not?
As for you, you're a wannabe badass, so how bout' you get off your ass and go make a difference?
If you're such a badass as you claim to be, it should be no problem.
As for the matter of how "little" I know because of comments I made a year ago, I am now more knowledgable in my answers.
Why do you think I'm more definite on the fact that Navy SEALs are the best?
Because they are!


Btw. The "SEAL guy" still hasn't answered my question.

What class?
Swimbuddy?
Instructors names?
 
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gf0012-aust       9/25/2009 5:57:39 PM

kids:


kids, they come in and shoot their mouths off - the adults who have the remotest association don't

kids, come in and quote all these wonderful books and internet scrapes as proof of life -  the adults who have the remotest association don't

kids who crap on about specwarries tend to have stupid provocative tags

kids are "know it alls" on topics that they haven't got the remotest clue about except what they see in books and the internet - and thats proof of life for them

kids - are full of pi$$ and vinegar on the internet - they're the ultimate weekend warrior

kids throw out challenges to show how tough they are - if you want to question whether someone is a SEAL or SAS ex then there are other ways to go about it.  It's been done before in here before and no doubt if there is a compelling need, then it will be done again.  Asking swim buddy and class questions isn't it.

there are about 4 people I kow of in total in here (SP) who have actually been on the job - and that's through the entire history of  not only this idiotic post but all the other infantile SEALs vs Godzilla type threads in this section.  Not one of them makes moronic triumphant commentary or has even bothered to empirically correct some of the cretinous commentary passed off as fact and proof of life.

those who do it or have done it are very different from the talkers and wannabes.

carrying on like some specwarrie don quixote is only reinforcing what you don't know - not what you pretend to know.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       1/19/2010 9:24:08 AM
It seriously pisses me off though when people come in here and claim to be in/or have been in the SEAL Teams, and then further antagonize me by using that lie as a basis for spewing so-called facts. (i.e. I was in the SEAL Teams and the SEALs are the best; I was in the SEAL Teams and the SAS is better, etc.)

Lies!

However, I do find these types of threads educating, and sometimes ego-smashing, when people actually use logic and reason behind their arguments, as well as a little bit of history here and there.
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2010 1:59:35 PM
I think a SEAL platoon (if there's such a unit designation, if not just think 20-40) could take Godzilla, but not a team.
That's a quite interesting picture really.
 
Anyway, I tend to think of SAS as superior to SEALs in requirements from what I've read. I'm not sure about training but their training seems to be more general. They've a longer history, but the US has shorted down a lot of that with intensive development of their spec armed forces.
 
Do I know for sure? No, but the above is my common sense, and I don't mind discussing topics I'm not too sure about.
 
SBS are the British equivalents to Seals, right? Except more narrow, maybe. GIGN seem pretty good. I haven't heard of the rest. *looks forward to reading thread*
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2010 2:05:49 PM




I dont think that DEVGRU should be on their also. Cuz when you say SEALs youre saying alot. DEVGRU is an even more ELITE SEAL team that specializes in CT ops. the SEALs have many specialized units. some are classified and some arent.  a list of a few are MOB-6, SEAL Team 1, SEAL Team 2, SEAL Team 3, SEAL Team 4, SEAL Team 5,  SEAL Team 6(DEVGRU), SEAL Team 7, SEAL Team 8, SDV(SEAL Delivery Vehicle.)1, SDV 2, The Notorios "Red Cells"
And their are probobly more. there just so "secret" noone knows about them but Operators. 


YOUGOTYOUREASSKICKED-




Bro, I was way out of my lane when I wrote this. You are equally out of your lane with this statement.

MOB-6 - original name for DEVGRU.

Red Cell - Disbanded.

 

There are more secret units out there (speaking of US side), but probably not much more 'ninja' than DEVGRU or CAG.

 

I've learned that I honestly know very little about this stuff, but I used to spout off like I was an expert because I had seen some TV shows or read some books. I honestly think we should both probably quit talking about things we know so little about (real world experience I mean).



 
Thanks for the list!
 
Btw., I read  'Warrior Elite' recently which is about 'The Forging of Seal Class 228' and now I'm reading 'Lone Survivor'. Good books straight from the source!
 
 
(Yes, I'm usually more aggro. and not this humble, but then I'm playing in the sandbox with the idiots as ascribed too above and basically kicking sand in their face. :D But yeah, you guys know your stuff so I'm 'a more careful and only say common sense stuff (well that's what I do 80% of the time and the rest is derivatives or a wee bit of sourcing) with a disclaimer or two.
Don't see why anyone would pose though... it just makes them wrong and losers even if it makes them look better. Rather pointless for a debate, guess they're saving face.)
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2010 2:14:25 PM
Of course remembering the historical SEAL battles I've read in detail SEALs don't tend to have much ammunition or support available due to the nature of their mission.
 
I'm not sure how much firepower a platoon-size formation of SEALs would have, but taking down Godzilla would probably be down to stealth and getting in a good hit on the head with the heavy weapons brought along.
 
Kim Erskine's squad in Granda was quite impressive though in the way it managed to escape under heavy fire from the Radio station. The APC that had them suppressed in the radio station that they took out with a bullett-trap grenade? I didn't know the specifics on that weapon before reading about it afterwards.
 
Anyway I'm 'a leave the discussion to you guys, but with one thought...
 
Sure, most of us are only qualified to make obvious statements, but if you guys are going to be touchy about them offending your honour (not the morons, the idiots making wrongful statements honestly without posing) then well... you're the only people fully qualified for these discussions. It'd be better if you let go on lecturing the posers and those of us who want to have a frank or vicious debate with what little knowledge we have and actually educate everyone.
 
Wait... I always flame retards, and I go pretty heavy on people who're badly wrong as well (though not flaming, most of the time).
 
Hmm, guess I need to take my own advice
 
oh well I can understand your frustration, maybe it's good for you to vent
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2010 2:25:42 PM

I think a SEAL platoon (if there's such a unit designation, if not just think 20-40) could take Godzilla, but not a team.

That's a quite interesting picture really.

 

Anyway, I tend to think of SAS as superior to SEALs in requirements from what I've read. I'm not sure about training but their training seems to be more general. They've a longer history, but the US has shorted down a lot of that with intensive development of their spec armed forces.

 

Do I know for sure? No, but the above is my common sense, and I don't mind discussing topics I'm not too sure about.

 

SBS are the British equivalents to Seals, right? Except more narrow, maybe. GIGN seem pretty good. I haven't heard of the rest. *looks forward to reading thread*


Oh but SEALs have better funding, and I think that's a perfectly legitimate edge. And I'm sure they're breater than SAS at a lot of stuff.
Anyway yes of course one should compare SEALs to SBS. That is rather obvious.
Personally I feel the best way to compare services are to gauge actual combat service. Of which of course we don't know much of.
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2010 2:27:43 PM

Of course remembering the historical SEAL battles I've read in detail SEALs don't tend to have much ammunition or support available due to the nature of their mission.

 

I'm not sure how much firepower a platoon-size formation of SEALs would have, but taking down Godzilla would probably be down to stealth and getting in a good hit on the head with the heavy weapons brought along.

 

Kim Erskine's squad in Granda was quite impressive though in the way it managed to escape under heavy fire from the Radio station. The APC that had them suppressed in the radio station that they took out with a bullett-trap grenade?

actually, disabled turrett, noticed I wrote 'took out'
With support or plenty of equipment and ammunition I think a SEAL platoon could take out Godzilla fine.
 
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YOUGOTYOURASSKICKED       1/19/2010 7:35:20 PM
Yeah, SEALs, and most SOF for that matter, tend to avoid confrontation. Unless of course it's on their terms.
 
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