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Subject: Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN
GOP    5/18/2006 12:08:29 AM
Who wins??? I go with NAVY SEALS!


Alright, time to end all of this SOF vs SOF garbage. Basic rules:

Rule 1: SOF combat divers cannot be compared with SOF CT, etc. Statements such as Navy SEALs vs SAS are impossible to compare. You must at least be comparing similar units to have a true comparison in training.

Rule 2: SOF units are made up of people, which are all different and have different skill levels. SOF units are impossible to compare because each small team in a particular unit has different people which make up that small team. If we follow rule 1, and compare SOF CT Teams, then CAG may have a better small team than the SAS...and vice versa. It all varies when dealing with people.

Rule 3: It is impossible for people out of the loop (ie: Civilians like me, Active or former regular military, etc) to compare current SOF units without relying on both old information, possible biased information, or just plain wrong information.

Rule 4: Post like "Navy SEALs vs British SAS" will NEVER yield any conclusive evidence and will NEVER yield anything productive.

Rule 5: NEVER COMPARE SOF UNITS! BOTTOM LINE.
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mough    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 10:56:43 AM
the Italian's are the best, COMSUBIN rulz.......;) just yanking your chain kid
 
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longrifle    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 11:38:28 AM
The one who gets thar fustest with the mostest.
 
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Cato    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 11:42:36 AM
The one that shows up with a gun to a knife fight? Cato
 
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GOP    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 12:48:14 PM
>>The one that shows up with a gun to a knife fight?<< No, the one who shows up with a laser designator to a knifer fight.
 
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GOP    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 12:48:33 PM
should be knife fight
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 1:42:51 PM
>>The one who gets thar fustest with the mostest. << . . . and wearing the coolest sunglasses.
 
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longrifle    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 4:18:56 PM
>>Rule 2: SOF units are made up of people, which are all different and have different skill levels. SOF units are impossible to compare because each small team in a particular unit has different people which make up that small team.<< From the military humor page: The Chief of Staff of the Army asked his Sergeant Major, who was both Ranger and Special Forces qualified, which organization he would recommend to form a new anti-terrorist unit. The Sergeant Major responded to the General's question with this parable: If there were a hijacked Boeing 747 being held by terrorists along with its passengers and crew and an anti-terrorist unit formed either by the Rangers or the Special Forces was given a Rescue/Recovery Mission; what would you expect to happen? Ranger Option Forces/Equipment Committed: If the Rangers went in, they would send a Ranger company of 120 men with standard army issue equipment. Mission Preparation: The Ranger Company First Sergeant would conduct a Hair Cut and Boots Inspection, while the officers consulted SOPs and held sand table exercises. Infiltration Technique: They would insist on double timing, in company formation, wearing their combat equipment, and singing cadence all the way to the site of the hijacked aircraft. Actions in the Objective Area: Once they arrived, the Ranger company would establish their ORP, put out security elements, conduct a leaders recon, reapply their camouflage, and conduct final preparations for Actions on the OBJ. Results of Operation: The Rescue/Recovery Operation would be completed within one hour; all of the terrorists and most of the passengers would have been killed, the Rangers would have sustained light casualties and the 747 would be worthless to anyone except a scrap dealer. Special Forces Option Forces/Equipment Committed: If Special Forces went in, they would send only a 12 man team (all SF units are divisible by 12 for some arcane historical reason) however, due to the exotic nature of their equipment the SF Team would cost the same amount to deploy as the Ranger Company. Mission Preparation: The SF Team Sergeant would request relaxed grooming standards for the team. All members of the team would spend a grueling afternoon at a quality spa ensuring physical abilities would be honed. Infiltration Technique: The team would insist on separate travel orders with Max Per Diem, and each would get to the site of the hijacking by his own means. At least one third of the team would insist on jumping in HALO. Actions in the Objective Area: Once they arrived , the SF Team would cache their military uniforms, establish a Team Room at the best hotel in the area, use their illegal Team Fund to stock the unauthorized Team Room Bar, check out the situation by talking to the locals, and have a Team Meeting to discuss the merits of the terrorists' cause. Results of Operation: The Rescue/Recovery Operation would take two weeks to complete and by that time all of the terrorists would have been killed, (and would have left signed confessions); the passengers would be ruined psychologically for the remainder of their lives; and all of the women passengers would be pregnant. The 747 would be essentially unharmed, the team would have taken no casualties but would have used up, lost, or stolen all the "high speed" equipment issued to them.
 
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GOP    RE:Navy SEALs vs CAG vs SF vs Devgru vs AFSOC vs SAS vs SBS vs GSG9 vs GIGN   5/18/2006 9:43:01 PM
>>The one who gets thar fustest with the mostest. << . . . and wearing the coolest sunglasses. << I vote for NAVY SEALS! :)
 
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mough       10/19/2006 6:21:21 AM
And you've passed into each of these units?...
 
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gf0012-aust       10/19/2006 6:42:45 AM

And you've passed into each of these units?...


I was wondering when your patience would run out.....
 
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mough       10/19/2006 7:48:50 AM



And you've passed into each of these units?...



I was wondering when your patience would run out.....
as Jesus said, "turn the other cheek".......nah!!

 
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GOP       10/19/2006 9:28:50 PM

And you've passed into each of these units?...


Well, I AM  part of a highly secretive SOF group (you would want to kill yourself if you found out about them).
 
 
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mough       10/20/2006 6:41:45 AM
ah no, looks like he got bannified...too bad he was fun.
 
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mough       10/20/2006 6:42:35 AM
I think he was done in by his "blacks in the US SOFs" thread
 
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Ehran       10/20/2006 1:41:28 PM







And you've passed into each of these units?...




I was wondering when your patience would run out.....


as Jesus said, "turn the other cheek".......nah!!



hey at least then you will have a matching set of welts and you know symmetry is the key to beauty
 
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