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Subject: 18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF
DeO vOLEnTe    4/25/2006 8:24:35 PM
I have two questions 1)I read from an earlier post that there was an 18b and an 18c program that was shorter than the initial 18xray program. Does that mean if I am coming off the street as a civilian to join SF I have an option of less than 5 years? Is a five year contract a definite requirement or is my recruiter just trying to make me committ to a longer period than needed? 2) And what is the current/average attrition rate for the SF? Is it higher than the RANGERS?
 
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GOP    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/25/2006 11:28:37 PM
1) Not sure. 2) It is around 75%, whereas Ranger is 50%
 
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Ehran    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/26/2006 12:56:19 PM
if you can manage to pull together 8-10 years of spec forces experience there are a lot of folks willing to amply pay for that once you pop out of uniform. i've heard some truly impressive numbers thrown about.
 
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GOP    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/26/2006 11:58:33 PM
>>if you can manage to pull together 8-10 years of spec forces experience there are a lot of folks willing to amply pay for that once you pop out of uniform. i've heard some truly impressive numbers thrown about.<< I have heard as much as $1,000 a day for a 6 month deployment. Pretty impressive, but I wouldn't leave my team for money.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/28/2006 8:25:11 AM
>>I have heard as much as $1,000 a day for a 6 month deployment. Pretty impressive, but I wouldn't leave my team for money. << The top earner I've known personally was pulling in $900/day plus a $1000/day hazardous duty bonus when out on operations with the guys they were training. That was a pretty top end detail though. More like $500/day is probably a typical pay rate for OCONUS contractor work in hot zones. Also note that $4-500 a day is not out of the question stateside (though kind of high) for guys with especially marketable skills who are capable of doing things like site security assessments and such.
 
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Ehran    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/28/2006 12:43:33 PM
wait till you are older and more disillusioned ;) that's a lot of money and i've heard of better offers than a grand a day plus expenses. downside is you oft times are going to wind up bored out of your skull and/or working with bozos and wannabees.
 
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mough    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   4/28/2006 1:20:03 PM
I have heard as much as $1,000 a day for a 6 month deployment. Pretty impressive, but I wouldn't leave my team for money. >> guy's with 10-15 years in with a wife and a few kid's and getting deployed for 6+ months a year may feel differently, you will too after doing it a while,
 
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roadveteran    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   5/1/2006 8:45:27 PM
I don't know where some of you people hail from or what your qualifications might be. In particular the guy (GOP) that claimed the attrition rate for Rangers is %50. Is he a former SF man? I served in 1/75 from Mar'80 thru Oct 82. I make no claims to be anything more than a grunt. I enlisted on a 36 month contract. An attrition rate would have to be considered from a given point of origin. For instance: If you start "attriting" from the point of enlistment then for my own service it rates at about %95. If you start at the point of arrival in Jump School the rate drops down to around %70. These are only guesses; experienced based guesses based on my own observations. If you start considering attrition at a point when a recruit arrives at his Ranger company as per his assignment, then the rate drops even more; say %50. Once a Ranger is lined up for and reports to Ranger school the attrition rates change again. My own experience in Ranger class 3-81: 183 names on the reporting roster; 178 actually reported; My class graduated 60 men of the original number. Of course we picked up many men from the previous class at each movement to the next phase. At the end we actually graduated; I think; 104? So sort out the "attrition rates" yourself. Anyone that claims something less or more without some inside or intimate knowledge of or experience with the issue...then call it guessing at best. What I do NOT tolerate or put up with is the questions that inevitably follow: "Was it hard?" Stupid. "What did you have to do?" Even more stupid. "Did you have to _______________ (fill in blank). Not EVEN stupid. If you are serious about enlisting for SF or Rangers then grow up. That means "GROW UP". Get used to being told what to do long before you are expected to "think on your own." The fundemental differences between SF and Rangers should give you some cause to think. The Rangers perform the "direct mission." SF performs the "indirect mission." As always diplomacy is step one: "Talk your way out of the threat." Step two: Espionage..you attempt to get someone to do the mission for you. Step three: If need be...you recruit, train, and - if necessary - lead someone to accoplish your objective. Step two and three are SF areas..... Finally, AS NEEDED - step four: Do the job yourself! This is almost exclusively a Ranger area. The "direct mission." A Ranger mission is not to exceed 5 days max. That is five 'intense, demanding, awake staring into the night time' days. IF REQUIRED! I can't speak for SF people...but they can't speak for Rangers. Since the modern Army Rangers were activated in Feb'74 there has been a great deal of animosity from SF for the Rangers. The 1st battalion came up three years before Delta Force and it shook the SF world deeply. The Rangers assumed a great big slice of the "real world" pie when it came to missions of the "direct" profile...something that SF had claimed ever since the Son Tay Raid in 1970. That was a real Ranger mission and one reason the JCS activated the Rangers four years later. AND there were many "almosts". The USS Mayaguez, April '75 (the Marines got it due to proximity), Zaire, May '78, (The French Foreighn Legion 2nd Para Regiment. US Air Force CCTs called it in). What others know as "Rice Bowl" I know as "Black Python"-the Iran hostage crisis. Then an incident in Managua, Nicaraugua 1981 (Reagan got shot - did the mission in) ref- Rangers going in to steal a "nuclear device", and three trips to Africa again: Gambia at the time of the Royal Wedding in '81, and two countries I never knew the names of. Wasn't considered important. Hostages in all cases, just like Grenada. RLTW. Sure wish I was young again. ("Rangers Lead the Way!") Roadveteran@sbcglobal.net.
 
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Carl S    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   5/2/2006 8:15:00 AM
"downside is you oft times are going to wind up bored out of your skull and/or working with bozos and wannabees." My aggregate compensation in the reserves ammounted to only $300.00+ per day. Often boredom was a threat, but it could be dealt with. Bozos and wannabees were a more difficult problem.
 
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Ehran    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   5/2/2006 12:09:11 PM
I can't speak for SF people...but they can't speak for Rangers. not at all sure you can really say that. my understanding is that there are a lot of sf guys who carry ranger tabs so they would at least understand the basics of being a ranger. as for attrition i watched a documentary done a couple years after the goat screw in mogadishu. it was interesting but one thing i noticed was that of the rangers interviewed nearly all were out of the army just 3 years after the operation being discussed. could just be a case of guys being out being easier to contact or free to speak but to see 70-80% of the guys interviewed as ex military at such an early age was not happy making.
 
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Ehran    RE:18x, 18b, 18c...current attrition rate for SF   5/2/2006 12:20:37 PM
when i was younger and definitely crazier i did some security work and yee bloody gods some of the gomers i had to work with. one lad managed to po some bikers while working at a bar. all this nitwit had to do was keep an eye on the parking lot and he decides he's going to "search" patrons going in. guess he felt all tough because he had a dog that evening. by the time i got the call he had a bunch of guys searching the lot looking for him while he was hiding under a car praying no one found him. that little episode was pretty much the end of that gig. did manage to recover the dog though so it wasn't a dead loss. had another guy who on the spur of the moment decided it would be amusing to search a group of elderly tourists. their bus was running late and they pulled in at nearly 2 am with everyone being exhausted when this cretin decides that it would be "fun". being law abiding types everyone lines up and the dog smells their luggage over and picks one. the mook opens it up without consent of the owner and finds a baggie full of weed like half a pound or so. wound up giving the stuff back to the elderly chap and apologizing for the hassle. i can only imagine the joy of having guys like this actually being armed.
 
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