SEALS vs. USMC FORCE RECON

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mough 4/20/2007 8:45:35 PM

I'd really really appriciate it if we could all but our dicks away, I don't give a shit if FAST are uber elite baby SEAL clubbers, or whether DEVGRU bends them over like a prison bitch, we all are/hope to be, professionals gentlemen lets start acting like it a bit.

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GOP 4/20/2007 8:56:05 PM

Yeah, you are right. I apologize if I offended anyone in any way, no excuses for some of the things I wrote.

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dirtykraut 4/20/2007 11:51:14 PM

To be fair, he said Experts not World class

That damn short term memory of mine. Anyways, I didn't realise they were anything more than security.

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SCCOMarine 4/25/2007 12:16:55 PM

I’m gonna follow Mough’s advice and not argue about it but I’m not going to let you bad mouth what the unit is or what they do b/c you want to try and make me look like I don’t know what I’m talking about.

FAST Co IS a World Class Anti-Terror Unit. For those that don’t know, though I’ve said a thousand times already, ANTI-Terror is SECURITY. Thats why I compared them to a High Speed SWAT and not to a SOF unit.
FAST Teams are experts in security and CQB, it is their very first school as FAST Marines.
FAST Teams are deployable world wide in 6hrs or less and have responded to almost every Major Terrorist Threat and Strike against US targets since ’88.
FAST Teams are deployable only by order of Commandant of the Marine Corps or The Chief of Naval Operations on request of Theater Commanders, answerable only to the T-Comms they deploy to.
FAST is DEFENSIVE in nature(I don’t Know how many times I’ve said that already), but have an offensive capability.
FAST Teams can Deploy in advance of a Terrorist attack at the TComms discretion to deter or boost the level of security to counter the threat.

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SCCOMarine GOP 4/25/2007 12:20:31 PM

Exactly. They are primarily a top notch anti-terror security force, not door kickers. The guys even say that at the top of the article.

Do me a favor? Go back and count how many times I’ve said that! Count how many times I’ve said they are defensive in nature in this thread, although they have an offensive capability that is at the T-Comms discretion to use.

Then count the times when its supposed that I’ve said the opposite. The problem is you ppl get so charged up to try and prove me wrong you don’t get the my story right!

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SCCOMarine GOP 4/25/2007 12:33:52 PM

SCCO, FAST did not accompany the SEALs onto the OPLAT ops. I'm calling bullshit on the whole "requested by SEALs" thing...the SEALs had an excellent working relationship with GROM (who they shared a base with in Afghanistan), and the RM...so it is obvious why those units were chosen to work together on the op. I'm not calling you a liar at all, but I am saying that the FAST commander either misunderstood the facts or gave you false info.

Your wrong! They did accompany the SEALs in the raid. One 16 man squad assaulted the facility w/ the SEALs, they acted as the SEALs Trailer Plt.

If you don’t know what a trailer plt is, in the dynamics of room clearing moving fr/ Rm to Rm, hall to hall, floor to floor as the assault force pushes forward they’re vulnerable to counter attacks in their rear and flanks, hence a trailer team.

1 Squad acted as Trailer plt and the other 2 Squads remained behind staged on the ship as a reserve force that moved in a few hrs after the assault to relieve the SEALs and link up w/ the other squad.

Its hard to still find any info on this but the excerpt of the article I gave is a direct quote fr/ the Captain of the Ship that was used to stage the assault. He explains who was used in the assault b/c they launched off his ship!

This is the Article:"New high tech, high-speed ship saw action in Iraq War". Read it for yourself.

This was his Quote:"The Joint Venture did much more than just ferry supplies back and forth in the Persian Gulf during Iraqi Freedom. She also took part in her first combat operations, serving as a special operations “mothership.” Details of this action were recently written up in Marine Corps Times. Joint Venture deployed Navy SEALs and U.S. Marine Corps Fleet Anti-terrorism Security Teams (FAST) in Mark V craft and Rigid Inflatable Boats. The SEALs and Marines seized two major offshore oil terminals at the entrance to the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr. Navy Captain Phil Beierl told Marine Corps Times, “For the first few hours of the war, we were the most forward ship in the U.S. Navy.” "

“QUOTE”-“UNQUOTE”

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SCCOMarine GOP 4/25/2007 12:59:41 PM

Also, it is completely true that FAST works together with DEVGRU, but DEVGRU are the attackers and FAST are the defenders obviously...I wouldn't be bragging about that either, I wouldn't want my unit to be known as DEVGRU's bitch.

What are you talking about? Nobody's being used as anybody's Bitch. Each is doing their jobs, DEVGRU acts as the aggressor b/c thats their job. FAST acts as the Defender b/c thats their Job.

During these force on force exercises its more than just shooting, DG is actively trying to engage their target using recon and surveillance to gather intel b4 striking. FAST uses counter surveillance and aggressive patrolling to try and predict DG's next move and Modus Operandi for their target, and to engage it B4 the strike.

They're 2 of the best at what they do(Counter-Terror Vs Anti-Terror) constantly sharpening their skills against each other, so what are you talking about.

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SCCOMarine Horse 4/25/2007 1:11:17 PM

Hey, let's be fair here, right. If I want to hear how the USMC is the double super coollest most e-light fighting force *ever* . . . I know who to ask. If I want objective information about the Corps, I'll see what BadNews has to say.

OK Horse, where did I stretch the truth, where did I expand the story. Read thru my posts and point out where I embellished. Point out where I said FAST is a super unit, a SOF unit, or any other bullshit. I've been arguing the exact opposite. I've said they have an offensive capability, its at the discretion of the T-Comm.

The truth is that B-N prefers not to argue w/ the ppl on this site as long as his general point gets across.

THATS NOT ME! I'm going to argue every point and I don't care how long it takes for you to get it!

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SCCOMarine Horse 4/25/2007 1:31:56 PM

To be clear what security means when your talking about FAST, they’re not security guards.

If you go to a Nuclear Power plant in the US, there are security teams who are gate guards, post/watchstanders, etc. Then there’s a special team, usually ex-SOF, who are on call to react only in extreme cases or to deter terrorist threats/attacks.

That’s what FAST Team is for the DOD, ANTI-Terror, deployable world wide in 6hrs or less.

So will I beat a dead HORSE by emphasizing they’re a world class Anti-Terror security unit, only if it means getting my point across.

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SCCOMarine 4/25/2007 2:40:25 PM

Also I mentioned FAST to Colts b/c he can join FAST straight out of BC and get some 1^st class training and real world deployment time as a Jr Marine. The topic was if he didn’t make a particular services SOF, this opportunity is something he couldn’t get if he went to the other services and tried out for their SOF and didn’t make.

But if he didn’t make FR there’s a whole list of jobs he could do in the Corps that could provide some action and good training. That was the whole point.

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