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Subject: SEALS vs. USMC FORCE RECON
colts    4/17/2006 3:42:16 AM
I really want to join the military although I am not sure which brance I want to go to. I want to go behind enemy lines and get "down and dirty" so to speak. I want the most action I can get, and not just recon, I want to shoot, fight, I REALLY want combat. I want HALO jumps, scuba training, I want it all. Which branch would be the best for me. I want the hardest training, best training i can get.

P.S. I also heard that navy boot camp and army boot camp is a bunch of bull and for in pussies and do not want to be a part of that. Is the CORE still as bad ass as always?
 
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SCCOMarine       4/20/2007 3:03:57 PM
Not to run-on on the subject but in article mentions they deploy in 24hrs.  This was true in '99 when this article was written, but after 9-11 when the Corps started the 4th MEB assets and unit placement were shifted around the world and they were capable of responding worldwide in less than 6hrs.
 
Also its says not to look for door-kicking in the job.  I expl'd earliar, but again its to discourage the Idea that they're some kind of SOF Unit.  The Best SWATs in the world go to some of the same CQB schools as SOF, but they're not SOF.
 
But the very first school FAST Marines attend before even being assigned to a unit is Marine Corps CQB school in Dam Neck, VA.  Learning both CQB and Dynamic(Explosive) Entry.

 

Assignment is random meaning there is no recruitment effort.  However, every FAST Marine has to shoot Double Expert, that means Rifle and Pistol, before assignment to a FAST Plt. During work-ups FAST Marines fire at least 300 rounds a day before qualifying to participate in the afternoon training block.

 
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GOP       4/20/2007 3:11:25 PM



























FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team:
Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable
World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be
requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant. 
"


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...












If these guys were very high speed SWAT, wouldn't they they be in SOCOM or under a similar command structure (like MARSOC, etc)? Sorry, but this reminds me of the Master of Arms who claim to be super high speed protection specialists, etc.










We would all love to hear the deragatory name (at least I would)









FAST=Fake Ass SEAL Team....








Thanks man, lol.






It appears that SCCO has slightly overstated their abilities...which is shocking considering the source :)










WOOW! OK! So, I don’t even get a chance to answer back HUH??



I'm not going to get into a slugfest, I'll give you some info and let you do the Math.  Once again its a lot of misinformation about MC units and capabilities on this site.



 




 But what’s funny is you guys claim to want info outside your own little fu(king boxes, you get info on some Brits or Aussies and your like “Oh(suck, suck, suck sound) that’s awwwe-some” you get on Marines and you get all protective about your sh*tty little territory.  OK!!





You do realise your internet tough guying a kid right?....he's like 15 or 16.

I'm 17. I don't use my age as an excuse, so he can trash talk me just like he has trash talked Old Grunt, Horsesoldier, and the others. This guy has a history here, every time someone disagrees with his opinion of the Corps or does not hold the Corps in as high esteem as God or sex, then he freaks out like a pissed off little girl and starts calling names and "bleeped" out cusswords.
I respect the hell out of the USMC, Navy, USAF, Army, and every other Western force. I honestly don't care if FAST are the baddest SOB's on the planet, or if they are the weakest...they do a good job. That's not my opinion, that's based on the fact that they are still an active unit. I know nothing about them, so when you guys say that their abilities may have been trumped up a little, then I'll take the guys like you who have BTDT everytime.
 
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SCCOMarine       4/20/2007 3:12:35 PM

As I said, that whole Fake ass SEAL team was not my opinion, just something a SEAL said to me once, I don't know if he was taking the piss or what, he has a....unique sense of humour


Most SEALs say that b/c the name of the Plts in each company is PHROG.  PHROG 1..2..3...Whatever its an anonym or whatever that word is but it means something. 
 
But you'll have to ask them.
 
But the missions are totally different, they also play aggressors for a lot of DevGru training exercises up in Little Creek and Dam Neck.
 
 
 
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SCCOMarine    GOP   4/20/2007 3:16:43 PM
The reason I picked your response had nothing to do with you your last response contained everyone's respones in it. If you read the tone it is directed to all the responses and misinfo.
 
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Old Grunt       4/20/2007 3:22:17 PM
In 1989 elements of 1st FAST were deployed to Rodman Naval Station, Panama as a response to a number of incursions by unknown intruders *(the intruders were believed to be members of a Cuban special operations unit who were attempting to sabotage US POL stockpiles located on the base)*. 1 FAST immediately commenced operations, conducting patrols around the base perimeter, and establishing ambush positions along known avenues of approach. The FAST marines were successful in deterring further incursions, and on a number of occasions they took intruders, attempting to gain entry to the base, under fire.”
 
Not exactly sure where you pulled this but it's not completely accurate.  The base perimeter patrols were conducted by the 1st Bn, 508 PIR from Ft. Kobbe.  The Marine's security efforts were confined to the "Tank Farm" which was the POL storage facility.  I recall only two incidents prior to the start of Just Cause, neither of which involved an exchange of gunfire, occurring with the security detail at the Farm.  One was a Chinese national worker who, for whatever reason, remained on top of one of the tanks until after dark and was apprehended when he came down, and a drunk Russian sailor who wandered in through a hole in the fence and was also apprehended.  After the operation commenced the Marine security force was left in place at the Farm and there were several small firefights.
 
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Old Grunt       4/20/2007 3:28:28 PM
In 1989 elements of 1st FAST were deployed to Rodman Naval Station, Panama as a response to a number of incursions by unknown intruders *(the intruders were believed to be members of a Cuban special operations unit who were attempting to sabotage US POL stockpiles located on the base)*. 1 FAST immediately commenced operations, conducting patrols around the base perimeter, and establishing ambush positions along known avenues of approach. The FAST marines were successful in deterring further incursions, and on a number of occasions they took intruders, attempting to gain entry to the base, under fire.”
 
Not exactly sure where you pulled this but it's not completely accurate.  The base perimeter patrols were conducted by the 1st Bn, 508 PIR from Ft. Kobbe.  The Marine's security efforts were confined to the "Tank Farm" which was the POL storage facility.  I recall only two incidents prior to the start of Just Cause, neither of which involved an exchange of gunfire, occurring with the security detail at the Farm.  One was a Chinese national worker who, for whatever reason, remained on top of one of the tanks until after dark and was apprehended when he came down, and a drunk Russian sailor who wandered in through a hole in the fence and was also apprehended.  After the operation commenced the Marine security force was left in place at the Farm and there were several small firefights.
 
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Old Grunt       4/20/2007 3:30:19 PM
In 1989 elements of 1st FAST were deployed to Rodman Naval Station, Panama as a response to a number of incursions by unknown intruders *(the intruders were believed to be members of a Cuban special operations unit who were attempting to sabotage US POL stockpiles located on the base)*. 1 FAST immediately commenced operations, conducting patrols around the base perimeter, and establishing ambush positions along known avenues of approach. The FAST marines were successful in deterring further incursions, and on a number of occasions they took intruders, attempting to gain entry to the base, under fire.”
 
Not exactly sure where you pulled this but it's not completely accurate.  The base perimeter patrols were conducted by the 1st Bn, 508 PIR from Ft. Kobbe.  The Marine's security efforts were confined to the "Tank Farm" which was the POL storage facility.  I recall only two incidents prior to the start of Just Cause, neither of which involved an exchange of gunfire, occurring with the security detail at the Farm.  One was a Chinese national worker who, for whatever reason, remained on top of one of the tanks until after dark and was apprehended when he came down, and a drunk Russian sailor who wandered in through a hole in the fence and was also apprehended.  After the operation commenced the Marine security force was left in place at the Farm and there were several small firefights.
 
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Old Grunt       4/20/2007 3:32:05 PM
Not trying to hammer in a point....SP Gremlins at work yet again.
 
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Horsesoldier       4/20/2007 4:02:11 PM


WOOW! OK! So, I don’t even get a chance to answer back HUH??

I'm not going to get into a slugfest, I'll give you some info and let you do the Math.  Once again its a lot of misinformation about MC units and capabilities on this site.

 


 But what’s funny is you guys claim to want info outside your own little fu(king boxes, you get info on some Brits or Aussies and your like “Oh(suck, suck, suck sound) that’s awwwe-some” you get on Marines and you get all protective about your sh*tty little territory.  OK!!


Hey, let's be fair here, right.  If I want to hear how the USMC is the double super coollest most e-light fighting force *ever* . . . I know who to ask.  If I want objective information about the Corps, I'll see what BadNews has to say.

 
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GOP       4/20/2007 7:56:37 PM


I’ll tell you why!  The Confined Spacing of shooting in a Oil Refinery.  Confined Space Shooting and Close Quarters Battle, is the Bread and Butter of FAST Co.




"We are defensive in nature," Petrucci said. "Site security is our bread and butter."




Exactly. They are primarily a top notch anti-terror security force, not door kickers. The guys even say that at the top of the article.
 
SCCO, FAST did not accompany the SEALs onto the OPLAT ops. I'm calling bullshit on the whole "requested by SEALs" thing...the SEALs had an excellent working relationship with GROM (who they shared a base with in Afghanistan), and the RM...so it is obvious why those units were chosen to work together on the op. I'm not calling you a liar at all, but I am saying that the FAST commander either misunderstood the facts or gave you false info. Also, it is completely true that FAST works together with DEVGRU, but DEVGRU are the attackers and FAST are the defenders obviously...I wouldn't be bragging about that either, I wouldn't want my unit to be known as DEVGRU's bitch.
 
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mough       4/20/2007 8:45:35 PM
I'd really really appriciate it if we could all but our dicks away, I don't give a shit if FAST are uber elite baby SEAL clubbers, or whether DEVGRU bends them over like a prison bitch, we all are/hope to be, professionals gentlemen lets start acting like it a bit.
 
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GOP       4/20/2007 8:56:05 PM

I'd really really appriciate it if we could all but our dicks away, I don't give a shit if FAST are uber elite baby SEAL clubbers, or whether DEVGRU bends them over like a prison bitch, we all are/hope to be, professionals gentlemen lets start acting like it a bit.

Yeah, you are right. I apologize if I offended anyone in any way, no excuses for some of the things I wrote.
 
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dirtykraut       4/20/2007 11:51:14 PM

To be fair, he said Experts not World class


That damn short term memory of mine. Anyways, I didn't realise they were anything more than security.
 
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SCCOMarine       4/25/2007 12:16:55 PM

I’m gonna follow Mough’s advice and not argue about it but I’m not going to let you bad mouth what the unit is or what they do b/c you want to try and make me look like I don’t know what I’m talking about.

  1. FAST Co IS a World Class Anti-Terror Unit.  For those that don’t know, though I’ve said a thousand times already, ANTI-Terror is SECURITY.  Thats why I compared them to a High Speed SWAT and not to a SOF unit.
  2. FAST Teams are experts in security and CQB, it is their very first school as FAST Marines.
  3. FAST Teams are deployable world wide in 6hrs or less and have responded to almost every Major Terrorist Threat and Strike against US targets since ’88.
  4. FAST Teams are deployable only by order of Commandant of the Marine Corps or The Chief of Naval Operations on request of Theater Commanders, answerable only to the T-Comms they deploy to.
  5. FAST is DEFENSIVE in nature(I don’t Know how many times I’ve said that already), but have an offensive capability.
  6. FAST Teams can Deploy in advance of a Terrorist attack at the TComms discretion to deter or boost the level of security to counter the threat.
 
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SCCOMarine    GOP   4/25/2007 12:20:31 PM

Exactly. They are primarily a top notch anti-terror security force, not door kickers. The guys even say that at the top of the article.


Do me a favor? Go back and count how many times I’ve said that!  Count how many times I’ve said they are defensive in nature in this thread, although they have an offensive capability that is at the T-Comms discretion to use.


Then count the times when its supposed that I’ve said the opposite.  The problem is you ppl get so charged up to try and prove me wrong you don’t get the my story right!
 
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