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Subject: SEALS vs. USMC FORCE RECON
colts    4/17/2006 3:42:16 AM
I really want to join the military although I am not sure which brance I want to go to. I want to go behind enemy lines and get "down and dirty" so to speak. I want the most action I can get, and not just recon, I want to shoot, fight, I REALLY want combat. I want HALO jumps, scuba training, I want it all. Which branch would be the best for me. I want the hardest training, best training i can get.

P.S. I also heard that navy boot camp and army boot camp is a bunch of bull and for in pussies and do not want to be a part of that. Is the CORE still as bad ass as always?
 
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SCCOMarine       4/18/2007 2:24:38 PM
Also Keep in mind that Marine Corps Infantry is Forward Deployed.  You can easily travel to at least 8 countries in a 4yr enlistment for Bi/Multi-Lateral training, Libo, and for actual ops.
 
I've traveled to 12 and I never even did a MEU Float, I know guys who have traveled to over 20 in their 1st 4yrs. 
 
MEU Floats: There's WestPac's that hit almost everything inbtwn Cali and the Persian Gulf, MedFloat that hit almost everything in the Mediterreanean Sea, and the 31st MEU out of Okinawa, JP.  For that just draw a circle around the Asian Pacific.
 
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SCCOMarine       4/18/2007 2:27:13 PM
Also remember the Marine Scout-Sniper is one of the Best in the World especially when they step it up to "STA" Platoon(Surveillance Target Aquistion).  4wk Pre-Sniper (Professional Gunmen Course) 10.8wk Scout Sniper Basic Course.  Thats almost 15wks of Scout and Sniper training just to become a basic Marine SS.  Compare that with 5wk Courses offered by most Military Orgs world wide to qualify as a Basic Sniper.  This is b/c very few if and Infantry Units in the world give the Infantry Sniper the Latitude and Free Reign to operate that the MC gives to its Scout-Snipers.
 
So these are all things you can do if you don't make the prized Force Recon.
 
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Horsesoldier       4/19/2007 7:46:33 AM

I bet they've had more Women then the other units, and there sun glasses are so much cooler.
Nah, those are the contractors (including former SEALs, of course), at least in theater.  Something about having a six figure income and the ability to ignore a lot of the annoying sides of the military brings all the fobbit girls running (or so I'm told . . .).

 
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colts    Dam.   4/19/2007 1:34:43 PM
Ya'll been dukin this one out for awhile now.  Dam.  I asked this question way back when I first seriously started thinking about enlisting.  Time has passed, and I have made my decision.  However my decision was not presuaded by "who was better"  as I used to try to figure out, and I used to care.  Now I just want to serve.  What will become of me?  I work hard, I take care of myself, always pushing myself, and always learning, with my high goals, and high standards for myself I know I will be fine.  "Who is better" ha, were all americans, both on the same side, as far as  Iam concered, we all are.  Fuck.  Dont ya'll get sick of arguing such a mute point?  Neither side is going to make any ground, nor has it.  Since I asked this question I have to my senses and I thought most ya'll did too, dam.  
 
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GOP       4/19/2007 3:24:46 PM

Ya'll been dukin this one out for awhile now.  Dam.  I asked this question way back when I first seriously started thinking about enlisting.  Time has passed, and I have made my decision.  However my decision was not presuaded by "who was better"  as I used to try to figure out, and I used to care.  Now I just want to serve.  What will become of me?  I work hard, I take care of myself, always pushing myself, and always learning, with my high goals, and high standards for myself I know I will be fine.  "Who is better" ha, were all americans, both on the same side, as far as  Iam concered, we all are.  Fuck.  Dont ya'll get sick of arguing such a mute point?  Neither side is going to make any ground, nor has it.  Since I asked this question I have to my senses and I thought most ya'll did too, dam.  

Whatsup Colt? None of us are arguing at all really, most of it is joking and teasing. Most of us are far beyond the "who is better argument", so we typically poke fun at it.

 
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mough       4/19/2007 4:11:40 PM

FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team: Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant.  "


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...

 
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GOP       4/19/2007 4:22:04 PM


FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team:
Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable
World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be
requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant. 
"


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...


If these guys were very high speed SWAT, wouldn't they they be in SOCOM or under a similar command structure (like MARSOC, etc)? Sorry, but this reminds me of the Master of Arms who claim to be super high speed protection specialists, etc.
We would all love to hear the deragatory name (at least I would)
 
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dirtykraut       4/19/2007 4:56:42 PM
SCCO, I thought FAST was strictly security. I do know that they have some CQB training, but I didn't realise they were world class. What else are they used for?
 
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mough       4/19/2007 7:13:54 PM




FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team:
Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable
World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be
requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant. 
"


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...



If these guys were very high speed SWAT, wouldn't they they be in SOCOM or under a similar command structure (like MARSOC, etc)? Sorry, but this reminds me of the Master of Arms who claim to be super high speed protection specialists, etc.

We would all love to hear the deragatory name (at least I would)

FAST=Fake Ass SEAL Team....

 
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mough       4/19/2007 7:15:50 PM

SCCO, I thought FAST was strictly security. I do know that they have some CQB training, but I didn't realise they were world class. What else are they used for?

That's also what I was led to believe, now they are some sort of super unit....well they do like their flight suits and CIRAS's and MICH helmets....ect, maybe they are World class

 
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mough       4/19/2007 7:16:48 PM
To be fair, he said Experts not World class
 
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GOP       4/19/2007 7:28:13 PM








FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team:
Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable
World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be
requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant. 
"


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...





If these guys were very high speed SWAT, wouldn't they they be in SOCOM or under a similar command structure (like MARSOC, etc)? Sorry, but this reminds me of the Master of Arms who claim to be super high speed protection specialists, etc.



We would all love to hear the deragatory name (at least I would)



FAST=Fake Ass SEAL Team....


Thanks man, lol.
It appears that SCCO has slightly overstated their abilities...which is shocking considering the source :)
 
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SCCOMarine       4/20/2007 12:15:17 PM












FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team:
Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable
World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be
requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant. 
"


Ah FAST, the SEAL's have a rather derogatory name for them...







If these guys were very high speed SWAT, wouldn't they they be in SOCOM or under a similar command structure (like MARSOC, etc)? Sorry, but this reminds me of the Master of Arms who claim to be super high speed protection specialists, etc.





We would all love to hear the deragatory name (at least I would)





FAST=Fake Ass SEAL Team....



Thanks man, lol.

It appears that SCCO has slightly overstated their abilities...which is shocking considering the source :)



WOOW! OK! So, I don’t even get a chance to answer back HUH??
I'm not going to get into a slugfest, I'll give you some info and let you do the Math.  Once again its a lot of misinformation about MC units and capabilities on this site.

 

 But what’s funny is you guys claim to want info outside your own little fu(king boxes, you get info on some Brits or Aussies and your like “Oh(suck, suck, suck sound) that’s awwwe-some” you get on Marines and you get all protective about your sh*tty little territory.  OK!!

 
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SCCOMarine       4/20/2007 12:29:15 PM

FAST is a ANTI-Terrorism Security outfit.  Keyword being ANTI similar to a SWAT Team.  Deployable worldwide in 6hrs or less.  Their main mission is Anti-Terror Security.  They have deployed to every major Terror attack involving the US since '88. 

 

If deployed the FAST Plt Commander(0-3 Capt) is directly responsible only to the Theater Commander that they are deployed to.  He also becomes Chief AT Adviser to the T-Comm with the Authority to disagree w/and argue his case to a higher authority on all AT matters. 

 

Although mostly a response Force they can and have been used offensively.  If credible intel is gathered before a Terrorist Strike they are deployed within hours to deter and prevent the strike in an offensive capacity.

 

This was done several times in Panama in '89 pre-Just Cause when FAST engaged and Captured several Cuban Intel Agents and Saboteurs casing US instillations.

 
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SCCOMarine       4/20/2007 12:41:43 PM
Anti-Terror, High-Speed SWAT is what I said.  STRECTHED INFO???  funny how SWAT Teams are now SOCOM Commadoes.  Well maybe I didn't cover that in my first post, maybe I called them a Super Secret Outfit and Stretched truth.....  No wait,  wait a minute this is exactly what I said right here!!
FAST CO Fleet Anti-Terrorism Suppression Team: Similar to a very High Speed SWAT. Experts in CQB, they are deployable World Wide to any Terrorist threat in less than 6hrs. FAST can only be requested by Theater Comms thru Chief of Naval Ops or the Commandant.  

Funny how the words that came out of my mouth sound like nothing of the Bullshit that came out of all of yours!

 
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