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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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bob the brit       2/3/2008 11:34:02 PM


























...SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv...












Ok Bob be honest, how much ninja training did you receive?  No funny stuff!  And did you use said ninja skill set in awe inspiring fashion on international TV?  In an urban setting?  We need the truth!





...none. I did recieve a form of martial arts training [as was the norm], and I believe the idea of teaching this was just brought in as i came in [i.e. they weren't too fussy about it before]. A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ]. As for being on TV [I assume you're referring to the embassy seige of fame and folklore?], I wasn't on TV, no, the macs were but not I. As for whether I was there or not, who knows?







Bob, did you ever train with Army SF (US)? If so, what was your impression of em?






i've worked with the oppressive liberators before, yes. 'twas a wonderful location, one of those places you just want to go with a compass and get lost. We were doing a bit of indigenous assistance somewhere on the map . Great bunch of lads, and the assisting indigenous forces was right down their alley. I believe it was the 7th/devils brigade [so that'll give you a bit of an idea where on the map we were].


 

Awesome, just curious what your thoughts on them were. Ever worked with any other US forces, and if so, what are your thoughts?

 

All I could find on 7th was something about Vietnam, and Equador. So either SE Asia or South America?



Well i wasn't with the devils in asia, so that narrows it down a bit. I've had my fair share of holidays with a variety of US forces [what with having a 'desk' job and all].  I was always fond of the yanks [sorry for the laymans term], they fed me well, they impressed me, and they knew their stuff [taught me a thing or two]. regardless of the tripe people say about the US SF community, as a whole I consider them to uphold the highest degree of professionalism possible. one thing I must comment on the US forces is that they were the first to ask for and accept advice [there was none of this "we know it better than you" malarky].
 
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GOP       2/4/2008 1:16:49 PM


































...SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv...














Ok Bob be honest, how much ninja training did you receive?  No funny stuff!  And did you use said ninja skill set in awe inspiring fashion on international TV?  In an urban setting?  We need the truth!






...none. I did recieve a form of martial arts training [as was the norm], and I believe the idea of teaching this was just brought in as i came in [i.e. they weren't too fussy about it before]. A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ]. As for being on TV [I assume you're referring to the embassy seige of fame and folklore?], I wasn't on TV, no, the macs were but not I. As for whether I was there or not, who knows?









Bob, did you ever train with Army SF (US)? If so, what was your impression of em?








i've worked with the oppressive liberators before, yes. 'twas a wonderful location, one of those places you just want to go with a compass and get lost. We were doing a bit of indigenous assistance somewhere on the map . Great bunch of lads, and the assisting indigenous forces was right down their alley. I believe it was the 7th/devils brigade [so that'll give you a bit of an idea where on the map we were].




 



Awesome, just curious what your thoughts on them were. Ever worked with any other US forces, and if so, what are your thoughts?



 



All I could find on 7th was something about Vietnam, and Equador. So either SE Asia or South America?





Well i wasn't with the devils in asia, so that narrows it down a bit. I've had my fair share of holidays with a variety of US forces [what with having a 'desk' job and all].  I was always fond of the yanks [sorry for the laymans term], they fed me well, they impressed me, and they knew their stuff [taught me a thing or two]. regardless of the tripe people say about the US SF community, as a whole I consider them to uphold the highest degree of professionalism possible. one thing I must comment on the US forces is that they were the first to ask for and accept advice [there was none of this "we know it better than yo
 
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bob the brit       2/4/2008 3:06:20 PM











































...SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv...
















Ok Bob be honest, how much ninja training did you receive?  No funny stuff!  And did you use said ninja skill set in awe inspiring fashion on international TV?  In an urban setting?  We need the truth!







...none. I did recieve a form of martial arts training [as was the norm], and I believe the idea of teaching this was just brought in as i came in [i.e. they weren't too fussy about it before]. A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ]. As for being on TV [I assume you're referring to the embassy seige of fame and folklore?], I wasn't on TV, no, the macs were but not I. As for whether I was there or not, who knows?











Bob, did you ever train with Army SF (US)? If so, what was your impression of em?










i've worked with the oppressive liberators before, yes. 'twas a wonderful location, one of those places you just want to go with a compass and get lost. We were doing a bit of indigenous assistance somewhere on the map . Great bunch of lads, and the assisting indigenous forces was right down their alley. I believe it was the 7th/devils brigade [so that'll give you a bit of an idea where on the map we were].






 





Awesome, just curious what your thoughts on them were. Ever worked with any other US forces, and if so, what are your thoughts?





 





All I could find on 7th was something about Vietnam, and Equador. So either SE Asia or South America?







Well i wasn't with the devils in asia, so that narrows it down a bit. I've had my fair share of holidays with a variety of US forces [what with having a 'desk' job and all].  I was always fond of the yanks [sorry for the laymans term], they fed me well, they impressed
 
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bob the brit       2/7/2008 3:14:28 PM





















































...SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv...


















Ok Bob be honest, how much ninja training did you receive?  No funny stuff!  And did you use said ninja skill set in awe inspiring fashion on international TV?  In an urban setting?  We need the truth!








...none. I did recieve a form of martial arts training [as was the norm], and I believe the idea of teaching this was just brought in as i came in [i.e. they weren't too fussy about it before]. A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ]. As for being on TV [I assume you're referring to the embassy seige of fame and folklore?], I wasn't on TV, no, the macs were but not I. As for whether I was there or not, who knows?













Bob, did you ever train with Army SF (US)? If so, what was your impression of em?












i've worked with the oppressive liberators before, yes. 'twas a wonderful location, one of those places you just want to go with a compass and get lost. We were doing a bit of indigenous assistance somewhere on the map . Great bunch of lads, and the assisting indigenous forces was right down their alley. I believe it was the 7th/devils brigade [so that'll give you a bit of an idea where on the map we were].








 







Awesome, just curious what your thoughts on them were. Ever worked with any other US forces, and if so, what are your thoughts?







 







All I could find on 7th was something about Vietnam, and Equador. So eith
 
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static       2/9/2008 4:20:23 AM



...A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ].


If you don't mind me asking, what did you carry and what was your personal favorite in terms of sidearms?  Were you given much leeway in terms of choices or was everyone pretty much with the same setup?  I have heard that the Group guys are rather fond of their 1911s but I imagine that has a lot to do with Haney's book, I'm not sure how accurate of a reflection that is today.

I just picked up a USP in .40S&W and I have to say it is a wonderful gun... very functional.  It was between that and a Sig and while the Sig seemed like a great gun (with the explicit endorsement of the SEAL teams), the USP looks a bit cooler.  A 226 is next on the list though, preferably a Navy model if I can find one.

Also while we are talking about people you worked with, have you ever come across and Agency guys who were doing "cool stuff"?  It seems like most of the employees from the DO/NCS are involved in running informants and that the neat-o stuff gets farmed out to contract guys who are ex- T1 or one of the natives if they offer enough deniability.
 
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GOP       2/9/2008 1:09:41 PM





...A couple of the lads were into that sort of stuff, me not so much, I preferred to put faith in my short [in the event things got romantically close {which they never did}]. I tried to test my mettle against other blokes in the regiment, just buggering around milling really and often was my backside handed to me [the name horsfall rings a bell ].




If you don't mind me asking, what did you carry and what was your personal favorite in terms of sidearms?  Were you given much leeway in terms of choices or was everyone pretty much with the same setup?  I have heard that the Group guys are rather fond of their 1911s but I imagine that has a lot to do with Haney's book, I'm not sure how accurate of a reflection that is today.

I just picked up a USP in .40S&W and I have to say it is a wonderful gun... very functional.  It was between that and a Sig and while the Sig seemed like a great gun (with the explicit endorsement of the SEAL teams), the USP looks a bit cooler.  A 226 is next on the list though, preferably a Navy model if I can find one.

Also while we are talking about people you worked with, have you ever come across and Agency guys who were doing "cool stuff"?  It seems like most of the employees from the DO/NCS are involved in running informants and that the neat-o stuff gets farmed out to contract guys who are ex- T1 or one of the natives if they offer enough deniability.



Shoulda got the Sig
 
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bob the brit       2/9/2008 4:55:43 PM

i was always fond of the hi powered [browning], nice size mag, good range/accuracy, dependable. while the 9mm wasn't the greatest for punching power, that little problem was overcome with the apparently legendary double tap [so now you know how that came about]. I tried the G17 every now and then but never found it anything greatly special. sig 228 was a wonderful short aswell. the barretta 92 wasn't bad.

as for choice, it was always pretty open to us as to which short we chose [within reason ofcourse], but the majority of the time, we always carried the same for a few reasons. for example everyone had the same mags thus same ammo, just little reasons like that that make sense.
 
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le_corsaire       2/11/2008 4:33:18 AM


If you don't mind me asking, what did you carry and what was your personal favorite in terms of sidearms?  Were you given much leeway in terms of choices or was everyone pretty much with the same setup?  I have heard that the Group guys are rather fond of their 1911s but I imagine that has a lot to do with Haney's book, I'm not sure how accurate of a reflection that is today.

I just picked up a USP in .40S&W and I have to say it is a wonderful gun... very functional.  It was between that and a Sig and while the Sig seemed like a great gun (with the explicit endorsement of the SEAL teams), the USP looks a bit cooler.  A 226 is next on the list though, preferably a Navy model if I can find one.

Also while we are talking about people you worked with, have you ever come across and Agency guys who were doing "cool stuff"?  It seems like most of the employees from the DO/NCS are involved in running informants and that the neat-o stuff gets farmed out to contract guys who are ex- T1 or one of the natives if they offer enough deniability.


My favorite always was Beretta 92, however I agree that the USP is also a very solid and reliable thing (I only know the 9x19 version in practice). Glocks are very good weapons as well (also I had a lot of doubts with the plastic thing) but in the meanwhile I am totally conviced about Glock - however, I still stick to the Beretta and the USP (just a matter of taste). 
 
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bob the brit       2/11/2008 1:28:15 PM




If you don't mind me asking, what did you carry and what was your personal favorite in terms of sidearms?  Were you given much leeway in terms of choices or was everyone pretty much with the same setup?  I have heard that the Group guys are rather fond of their 1911s but I imagine that has a lot to do with Haney's book, I'm not sure how accurate of a reflection that is today.

I just picked up a USP in .40S&W and I have to say it is a wonderful gun... very functional.  It was between that and a Sig and while the Sig seemed like a great gun (with the explicit endorsement of the SEAL teams), the USP looks a bit cooler.  A 226 is next on the list though, preferably a Navy model if I can find one.

Also while we are talking about people you worked with, have you ever come across and Agency guys who were doing "cool stuff"?  It seems like most of the employees from the DO/NCS are involved in running informants and that the neat-o stuff gets farmed out to contract guys who are ex- T1 or one of the natives if they offer enough deniability.



My favorite always was Beretta 92, however I agree that the USP is also a very solid and reliable thing (I only know the 9x19 version in practice). Glocks are very good weapons as well (also I had a lot of doubts with the plastic thing) but in the meanwhile I am totally conviced about Glock - however, I still stick to the Beretta and the USP (just a matter of taste). 


usp was before my time i believe [must 'ave been, cause we never tried it while i was there]. i think the main reason for my dislike for the glock was i didn't find it comfortable to grip, the workings were fine as was accuracy [although having a trigger safety bar as opposed to a standard thumb witch also took some getting used to], but it just didn't sit well in my hand.
 
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static       2/11/2008 10:33:56 PM
Hey GOP if its any consolation the Sig had a better trigger.

Browning Hi-Power huh?  I always thought those guns were about as ugly as they come.  But I suppose looks weren't a real high priority for you either.  I shot my friend's Glock .40 (or Glock foh-tae for you rappers out there) and thought it was ok... it just had about as much class as a Toyota Corolla.  Nothing too special but it got the job done.
 
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