NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS

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Horsesoldier RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 8:32:41 AM

>>well the motto for the RM is '99.9% need not apply' so i guess its somewhere around that number!<< Um, no. The Royal Marines field three battalion sized Commandos, plus some supporting elements (others sourced from the British Army), and the usual weird odds and sods sort of assignments marines seem to find themselves on -- without bothering to look it up, I'll just guesstimate 5,000 Royal Marines in the force structure. If their acceptance rate was 0.1% that would mean that to get 5000 Royal Marines, five million people would have to enlist and try to make it through their initial training and screening process. Given the UK's population base, that would mean something like every adult male on his 18th birthday or so would have to report for potential enlistment in the RM . . . The lowest rate of selection versus applicant for any military organization out there is actually the Gurkhas serving in the British Army, whose selection rate is far smaller than that of the SAS, SBS, US Delta, USAF Pararescue, etc etc etc. Of course, many of those applicants are screened out due to medical problems one is unlikely to encounter in the developed world, etc., but regardless they still get the nod for most chaff sorted to get some wheat. >>and i suppose that you have got to hand it to the SAS because they are known for being the most elite unit throughout the world, but who knows!<< They're very good, but, as other people have pointed out, these sorts of discussions are basically "mine's bigger than your's" sort of events. There's no real objective way to assess which special operations force is superior to others when you are looking at the top end groups; there are just opinions with varying degrees of actual knowledge to back them up.

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Patriot-Brit RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 1:17:08 PM

im just telling you what they motto is, which is 99.9% need not apply! link if ytou don't believe me go to the site! The Gurkhas are tough blokes, one of the main reasons they do so well is because they are commanded by British officers!

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Yimmy RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 1:50:53 PM

"The Gurkhas are tough blokes, one of the main reasons they do so well is because they are commanded by British officers!" Well, they weren't commanded by British officers when they gave us a good hiding were they....

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Liver RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 4:20:07 PM

The 99.9% slogan is that a slogan its not the drop out rate for PRMC, POC or even for training (although drop out is i think very high). it may well be based on some sort of statistic that maybe 99.9% of uk citizens could not pass (though im just stabbing in the dark here) - I doubt you can put the ability of the Ghurkas down solely to who they are led by, more on training and culture P.S. britian aint the only country with ghurkas

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Liver RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 4:22:55 PM

Oh an P.P.S - the motto of the RM's is "per mare per terram" (by sea by land) not 99.9% - thats just the recruiting slogan - sorry im getting a little pedantic here :P

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Horsesoldier RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 4:34:57 PM

>>The Gurkhas are tough blokes, one of the main reasons they do so well is because they are commanded by British officers! << The combination is definitely the key to their effectiveness -- the Indian Gurkha units are nowhere near the same quality level (of course training budgets and such probably have something to do with that as well).

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Yimmy RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 4:43:00 PM

"The combination is definitely the key to their effectiveness -- the Indian Gurkha units are nowhere near the same quality level (of course training budgets and such probably have something to do with that as well)." No, the key to their abilities in British service, is due to those we choose to take home with us. I have seen a documentary on the British advisers over there holding recruitment sessions, and entire villages turn up for it. In British service they get payed better than they do anywhere else remember, and only the fittest get chosen. I would deeply like to see us expand the numbers of Gurkhas we recruit, even if it meant their standards dropping slightly, and perhaps form them into a battalion of a possible British foreign legion or somesuch.

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Liver RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 4:53:39 PM

i was thinking a similar thing the other day - about a brit foreign legion maybe we could resurect 41(indipendant) cdo as some kinda foreign unit - would certainly get plenty of recruits from nepal ... ahh well just another pipe dream i suppose. it would be good to see the ghurkas expanded though. P.S. is it just india that has ghurkas besides the uk - i ask this because i used to go to a british school in singapore and just after 9/11 the school had developed a slight fear of terrorisim (so did many others but thats another story) and managed to get some ghurka's to guard the school (despite advice by some qualified parents not to bother) im pretty sure they were ghurkas i mean they carried the Khukri(sp) and were definately nepalese yet their uniform looked more similar to sinagore police/civil defence that brit army.

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Patriot-Brit RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 5:34:32 PM

i think the Gurkhas are a good number, i think it would be better to have a much smaller number who are highly trained, then a larger number poorly trained

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GOP RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS - Patriot-Brit 10/31/2005 6:18:17 PM

>"well the motto for the RM is '99.9% need not apply' so i guess its somewhere around that number!"< Nope, I believe that about 70% washout of RM training, certainly not 99.9%. SEALs have a 85% washout rate. It doesn't matter really, I am sure the RM has some soldiers better than SEALs, and vice-versa. I do know that our SEALs think highly of you, because of your work as a security force for the SEALs when they were 'taking possesion' of some oil rigs on the dawn of Iraqi Freedom

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