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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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GOP    RE:SAS operational Structure - GOP   3/8/2006 5:17:16 PM
>>GOP, the SAS do indeed have operators who can fulfill the missions of the SBS and SEALS, each SAS squadron is broken down into troops, Mountain Troop, Boat Troop, Air Troop, and Mobility Troop, I think the troop names are self explanatory. The Boat Troop guys are exactly on the same skill set as the SBS.<< OK, I was wrong. So what? :) Still, when you look at the individual operator, a Navy SEAL is the most versatile (along with being the best in the world :)
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/8/2006 5:42:52 PM
Seriously GOP, You have to remember that the UK is a small country with limited resources regarding manpower and funding, we dont have the luxury of the various specialist SF forces that the US has the luxury of having, Airforce PJ's FAC's, Army's Delta, Navy SEALS, Marine Corp Force Recon etc. We got the SAS, SBS and SRR. A very strong case can be made for the SAS being the most versatile. Oh yes and you do know all SAS are clones made from some harvested Superman DNA!!!! ;)
 
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GOP    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/8/2006 7:52:52 PM
As far as the individual operator, I would still say the SEALs are more versatile (I am not talking about a SAS team, I am referring to an individual operator)...of course, I don't mean any disrespect and I could very well be wrong. To be honest, I think that alot of the SAS stuff is mythology...as far as them being superior to other SOF. I have heard alot of people say that the SAS is far better than Delta, etc...but I think it has more to do with the Iranian embassy rescue made by the SAS (I think that if Delta could have gotten to the US embassy, they also would have been succesful). Also, I didn't mean to come across like I was dogging Britain...I think they have done an excellent job for their manpower and funding...but this has to do with great leadership in the MOD. Remember, you guys faced the Nazi's alone for awhile when they had 10+ times the land and resources you did...and you guys kicked some tail during the battle of Britain. >>Oh yes and you do know all SAS are clones made from some harvested Superman DNA!!!! ;)<< I bet kryponite is a high priority on the black market :)
 
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Ehran    RE:NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS   3/9/2006 11:55:18 PM
many SAS operators are direct descendants of superman and batman well superman being an alien isn't going to be anyone's descendants and batman flunked selection ;) seriously though the sas have a boat troop in every squadron who train for wet activities. while the sas wouldn't be the first choice for taking down an oil rig for example you can bet the reg't could put together a team that could do it with a very high chance of success. the british are quite fanatic about cross training their guys which gives them a very broad range of skills to draw upon at need.
 
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Ehran    RE:SAS operational Structure - GOP   3/9/2006 11:57:15 PM
it goes further than that artyengineer because in a 4 man stick i think they call them they try to make sure they have at least one guy with experience in each of the 4 troops and preferably more than 1 of the other troops.
 
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Ehran    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/10/2006 12:02:15 AM
As far as the individual operator, I would still say the SEALs are more versatile (I am not talking about a SAS team, I am referring to an individual operator)...of course, I don't mean any disrespect and I could very well be wrong. To be honest, I think that alot of the SAS stuff is mythology... i don't believe the seals get the systematic broad skills crosstraining or hostile environment training the SAS do at least i've never seen anything to suggest they do. as for the mythology you should NEVER EVER underestimate what men will do for the honour of the regiment. the history books are full of stirring tales of perfectely ordinary men doing insane amazing things and GOP the SAS are anything but ordinary men to start with ;)
 
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GOP    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/10/2006 12:58:54 AM
>>i don't believe the seals get the systematic broad skills crosstraining or hostile environment training the SAS do at least i've never seen anything to suggest they do.<< Maybe not, but they are dang good at naval ops (combat swimming, OPLAT, etc) and are very good at landwarfare. Maybe it really does come down to the individual and not the unit
 
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DropShort    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/10/2006 3:20:23 PM
"Maybe not, but they are dang good at naval ops (combat swimming, OPLAT, etc) and are very good at land warfare. Maybe it really does come down to the individual and not the unit" You just ended this discussion :) SEALS are fantastic at what they do, i.e. naval ops... However, the SAS are damn good at everything. SAS troops are trained in all aspects of warfare, including 'hearts and minds'(SAS soldiers are encouraged to learn foreign languages which will aid them on operations) Each SAS troop is rotated from their specialist role to the CT role, and I'd find it hard to believe that soldiers don't change troops until they find a role they are most comfortable and effective in. as the saying goes, 'SAS... Jack of all trades, masters of most'. Peter Radcliffe, RSM 22 SAS during the 1st Gulf war, was put into Air Troop upon entering the Regiment, and swiftly moved to another troop when he found out he didn't have the knack of halo jumps... The hard way!
 
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olive greens    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/10/2006 4:36:34 PM
>> Oh yes and you do know all SAS are clones made from some harvested Superman DNA!!!! ;) << Secret #2: The harvested Superman DNA was export-downgraded and source-DNA put on hold for 20 years. By the US Army Air Force, of course, who originally sent the diving team to retreive the space capsule. See, there is a precedence for denying RAF our tech for JSFs. Sorry, couldnt resist it... you may continue with your debate now ;-)
 
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Jungle-Man    RE:SF Versatility - GOP   3/15/2006 6:05:45 PM
Ok, time to settle down on something, I suggest we all go read Marcinko's Rogue Warrior (the autobiography not the stupid fiction he wrote later). You have to love that guy hes just so friggin funny, and hey he loves the SAS so we can all bask in the knowledge that Marcinko brings us together.
 
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