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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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JTR~~    They would have to parachute in?????   2/24/2010 3:02:34 PM

The British SAS, man for man, is better. SEALs train for about 6 weeks or so, the SAS trains for over a year, so as far as who is better trained, it is obvious that it is the SAS.

Who is better at taking as oil rig from terrorists? No question the SEALs, because that is what they are trained to do (the SAS would have to parachute in). I have heard that the SEAL's are better than the SBS, but I have no way of knowing or proving that.


i hardly think so, the sas are amply trained in naval based warfare, and would be aided in such an event like taking an oil rig with canoes, rigid raider assult boats, or they would simply scuba dive their way to the objective.
failing that they would get the sbs to do it.
try researching SAS facts a bit more before you make incorrect asumptions, look at the Falklands
 
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JTR~~    rob wright   2/24/2010 3:08:44 PM

 SEALs are much more well rounded.
 

i personally dissagree with that seeing as the British army operates far fewer special operations units than the USA, therefore leading to a need for a more rounded force.
a popular missconception about SAS that i would like to dispel is that many people think that the SAS are a counter terrorist unit. WRONG
it is true that this is one of their many roles, but they are an army regiment like the RMC, or the paras, the coldstream gaurds, the american 10th mountain division etc.
they are not strictly a spec ops unit, they are more of a army unit, trained like no other unit on this planet, and in my opinion by far the best elite unit in the world, bar none

 
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JTR~~    what in gods name is this on about??   2/25/2010 2:39:43 PM

Your facts are way...way off. The SAS should be compared to Delta, I agree, but SEALs should in no freakin way ever, ever, ever be compared to Royal Marine Commandos. SEALs are far more 'elite' on average. SEALs would run and laugh through the RM commando training course, whereas the RM commandos would be in extremely bad shape. I know that the Brits focus much more on running than upper body strength, try having your commandos do 750 pushups (or 'pressups') in 1 hour, run 4 miles carrying a 120 lb RIB on their head every meal (and everywhere they go), swim 1-2 miles in open ocean, paddle their RIB twice that distance...and do it all in 1 day with no sleep (in hell week)

Not too pretty for your guys
well if the navy seal can do all that then how come they are not the model for all special forces by now hmm?? 750 push ups and hour i dont think so, 4 miles with a 120 lb kit impressive, try an 56 mile yomp with your kit, your mates kit and all the ammunition you can physically carry over boggy terrain in only 3 days, or perhpas a 9 mile speed march in full kit, not your cup of tea, maybe a 30 mile endurance march. still too easy??
the royal marines training course is the single hardest and most challenging training course in the world bar none. not even americas seals take a hrder training course. 32 weeks of punishing fitness, mental and weapons training make it so gruelling that when some of americas "finest" (seals, delta whatever etc) were invited along to have a go at some sections of the training they could not complete the course, fact.
so before you start to make allegations like that i think you should look at your facts, oh and your comment about the seals running and laughing through the training course that would be something more along the lines of screaming for mummy, crying their eyes out and suffering like nothing they have ever felt before, which would then be conluded with them being chased by the colour seargent through the rest of the course at the point of a bayonet until they can do it, but seeing as you know all about the training and completed the course in recored time, and then went on to pass with distinction i dont know why im telling you that.
have a nice day :)

 
 
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JTR~~    Where the hell are you getting your SAS information from   3/5/2010 12:24:16 PM

How are we comparing them?

Operationally. The SAS do classical counter terrorist operations, they are door kickers and spend most of there time practicing kicking in doors, going undercover, doing HALO, and rappelling. The SEALs specialize in classical underwater operations, they are divers and spend most of their time diving, swimming, jumping from helicopters, and some HALO. You can't compare these two operationally because they have very different missions.

Training. The SEALs go through very harsh training at BUD's, probably the -hardest - training in the world; Hell week is unmatched in pressure, stress, physical fatigue, and mental fatigue, but BUD's is short. After Hell week, training is nowhere near as intense. The SAS go through alot of land nav courses and also do a good bit of running, but it is not as intense as BUDs and is a more casual experience (you are treated like a human being, not a abused animal). The SAS course is much longer and it is very hard on your feet. Both training courses are very effective for what they are trying to teach. BUD's and follow up training produces top quality Combat divers and Maritime operaters. The SAS training course (I do not know what it is called) produces top-quality Land nav and counter-terrorist commandos. There is no way to compare training, as both is extremely hard and 'hard' is different for every person. For example, some SAS commandos may have trouble swimming from one side of an olympic sized pool and back underwater, but some SEALs might have trouble completing a timed land nav course in which you do not know the distance only the time you have to make it in.

Reptutation. The SAS wins this one, as they are thought of as the best in the world by almost everyone. This is probably not fair to the other SOF forces, but they have earned their reputation (even if it is a little bloated).

Who would win in a fight. Well, since there is roughly 5,000 Navy SEALs and 500 or so SAS, I am going with the SEAL's :)

a more casual experience???, treated as human???, i dont know what SAS you have on your planet but you are certainly mistaken about the real SAS. for inhuman try the most demoralising interegation course imaginable short of inhumane torture, and this is put on an SAS candidate after they have just attempted to complete one of the single most arduous cross country courses in the world, they are subjected to stress positions and pshycological torment, then if they pass they can continue with their training. or maybe you might consider being striped half naked with only a thin shirt and your underware and then being dumped in the middle of the scootish highlands a pleasent thing?? cos they certainly dont. as for your absurd comments about the SAS not being able to cope with water, where are you getting this info from??? or are you just making it up, the SAS are just at home in water as they are in the air or land, and for gods sake the SAS are NOT a counter terrorist unit, they are an army regiment, that yes on occasion does perfrom counter terrorist operation and special forces ops becasue they are better than anyone else at doing it. i would say that the SAS endure more the 20 times the abuse a SEAL has to put up with, i guess you think abuse is when your woken up in the early hours and shouted at by some crazy american drill seargent, well sorry to burst your bubble but its not. The SAS training course, which i will give you people know very little about, apart from that it draws from the hardest training aspects in the army, it deffinatly the hardest training course in the world therefore making them the best trained soldiers/spec ops unit in the world, and before you bring up the equipment argument, they use colt canada c7 rifles, like the american M4, no expense is spared on the SAS regiement. so you can take your "hell week" to heel, as nothing compares the SAS training regieme, bar none.
oh and there are around 1000 SAS and each man is worth 10 of any SEA, they are a small army in their own rights.
 
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bbconrad92       3/7/2010 4:33:39 PM
okay buddy try more like 8 months for SEALS training and a drop out rate of over 70%. Then there is the fabled hell week which is 5 days of no sleep and all training. look it up NAVY SEALS are the toughest badasses in the world.
 
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goose       3/9/2010 6:22:17 AM
can't see the point in this. both have extremely hard selection and training procedures. both specialise in different areas so it is hard to compare. both would excel the other in their chosen ares. seeing how we both fight for the same objuective what does it matter anyway
 
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jappslap    training, training, training   3/16/2010 1:40:50 PM
 
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gf0012-aust       4/15/2010 6:22:31 PM
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seriously this thread should have been eutheansed years ago
 
every school holidays we get testosteroned teenagers and internet screen scrapers extolling the virtues of their respective countries specwarries - and as you know most of it is errant rubbish.
 
you would note that the real special forces commentators and ex operators left long ago - and NONE of them subscribe to the crap passed off as fact on here.
 
its tiresome and it brings all specwarries into disrepute/
 
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Gunsnroses1350       6/6/2010 4:52:37 PM
Yet in the end does any of it really matter? All educated persons should realize that when it comes down to it, MARSOC and Marine Recon wins out over all others.
 
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Neal28173    length of SEAL training   7/15/2010 12:44:35 PM
From my research, BUD/S or SEAL training is six months long, seperated into three phases:  basic conditioning,dive and land warfare.  Even after this process, the man is still considered a candidate and it is at least a year of probation before he gets his trident.  So really, a fully operational SEAL has at least two years of training under his belt.
 
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