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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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Old Grunt    Say what you will...   3/26/2008 6:08:44 AM
but everyone who actually knows, knows the Fijians are far and away the best.
I can't wait for this year's competition results to be leaked to prove that yet again.
 
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bob the brit       3/26/2008 1:27:08 PM

but everyone who actually knows, knows the Fijians are far and away the best.

I can't wait for this year's competition results to be leaked to prove that yet again.


...only problem with competitions are that they are just that, competitions. Not the real world.
and I'm curious about the attendance of these competions. who all attends them? i've had muppets try and tell me that GSG9 out performs the regiment, GIGN, etc. etc. everytime at the international SWAT challenge. only for me to turn around and tell them the regiment, GIGN etc. etc. didn't attend. so if you'd be able to tell me who attends these functions, i'd be very interested Old G.
 
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GOP       3/26/2008 2:23:29 PM

but everyone who actually knows, knows the Fijians are far and away the best.

I can't wait for this year's competition results to be leaked to prove that yet again.



You have gotta be joking right??
 
The fijans entire defense budget is probably less than CAG's budget. They probably see very little action (who is Fiji enemies with?), have less than perfect facilities, have a lack of transportation (How many C-130's, Pave Lows, Little birds, etc does Fiji have? And how rigourous are their pilots trained?), and only 16-20 men I believe you said? Even if they were the best trained in the world, 16-20 men isn't enough to do much at all. So, I think you are kidding.
 
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GOP       3/26/2008 2:30:45 PM
I should have added that I put very little faith in competitions. It's sort of like the USPSA/IDPA stuff. Shooting paper targets is one thing (great for speed/accuracy/gun handling/tasking/etc), but it's totally different when rounds are coming back and you are shooting at real people. I've watched one of these SWAT challenge events, and none of it is FoF stuff.
 
Even if the Fijans win the competition, there (probable???) lack of experience in real  gun battles would lead me to choose CAG/SAS/GSG-9/GIGN/DEVGRU/etc over them. All the units I mention have well noted, well documented cases of great success in real incidents against real, live breathing opponents. Real deal > Competition.
 
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bob the brit       3/26/2008 2:47:40 PM

I should have added that I put very little faith in competitions. It's sort of like the USPSA/IDPA stuff. Shooting paper targets is one thing (great for speed/accuracy/gun handling/tasking/etc), but it's totally different when rounds are coming back and you are shooting at real people. I've watched one of these SWAT challenge events, and none of it is FoF stuff.

 

Even if the Fijans win the competition, there (probable???) lack of experience in real  gun battles would lead me to choose CAG/SAS/GSG-9/GIGN/DEVGRU/etc over them. All the units I mention have well noted, well documented cases of great success in real incidents against real, live breathing opponents. Real deal > Competition.


never underestimate the fijians GOP, many have blessed the ranks of the regiment and proven their worth. they've also conducted a huge amount of op's for such a small force, you just don't here to much about them [if at all]. there's a number of brilliant actions they've been a part of [that obviously i'd rather not disclose, because they've chosen not to] and for such a small force, they earn their pay every time. a lot of times they are rolled into the regulars during peacekeeping op's, but they they conduct jobs less to do with keeping the peace and more overt sneaky things [but i didn't say that].
 
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bob the brit    another one bites the dust   3/26/2008 7:52:12 PM
well today was interesting, i had plonker number 10 try and play the ex-regiment card, safe to say that convo didn't last long.  honestly, it's priceless the look on their faces when they realise what a pratt they must seem.
 
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GOP       3/27/2008 1:36:47 AM




I should have added that I put very little faith in competitions. It's sort of like the USPSA/IDPA stuff. Shooting paper targets is one thing (great for speed/accuracy/gun handling/tasking/etc), but it's totally different when rounds are coming back and you are shooting at real people. I've watched one of these SWAT challenge events, and none of it is FoF stuff.



 



Even if the Fijans win the competition, there (probable???) lack of experience in real  gun battles would lead me to choose CAG/SAS/GSG-9/GIGN/DEVGRU/etc over them. All the units I mention have well noted, well documented cases of great success in real incidents against real, live breathing opponents. Real deal > Competition.




never underestimate the fijians GOP, many have blessed the ranks of the regiment and proven their worth. they've also conducted a huge amount of op's for such a small force, you just don't here to much about them [if at all]. there's a number of brilliant actions they've been a part of [that obviously i'd rather not disclose, because they've chosen not to] and for such a small force, they earn their pay every time. a lot of times they are rolled into the regulars during peacekeeping op's, but they they conduct jobs less to do with keeping the peace and more overt sneaky things [but i didn't say that].


My apologies then guys.  No disrespect to the Fijians, didn't mean to belittle them.
 
I've never heard of them, and assumed OG was joking. Of course, Im not in the community or connected at all, so theres a reason I haven't heard of them.
Ever trained with them Bob? And tell us more about this poser
 
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Old Grunt    GOP, the mark of a truely great SOF unit...   3/27/2008 6:03:12 AM
is that you haven't heard of them.
I'm only familiar with them because of some of the "communities" that I used to live in.
As Bob said, the majority of their operations are embedded within what would otherwise appear to be a peace keeping operation.  It was not unusual when I was working with MFO headquarters to get a report of one or two members of the Fijian contingent being AWOL a few days before some major incident involving the demise of some HVT in the area.
 
Bob,
The competitions involve the usual suspects, with results "leaked" through the usual channels.  From your posts I suspect that you are following the Fijian's past and current operational status in the same way that I am.
 
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GOP       3/27/2008 12:51:40 PM

is that you haven't heard of them.

I'm only familiar with them because of some of the "communities" that I used to live in.

As Bob said, the majority of their operations are embedded within what would otherwise appear to be a peace keeping operation.  It was not unusual when I was working with MFO headquarters to get a report of one or two members of the Fijian contingent being AWOL a few days before some major incident involving the demise of some HVT in the area.

 

Bob,

The competitions involve the usual suspects, with results "leaked" through the usual channels.  From your posts I suspect that you are following the Fijian's past and current operational status in the same way that I am.


Thats some pretty amazing stuff. I was pretty amazed when I read "Killer elite" at some of the un-named US SOF units. Granted, the ones mentioned aren't 'shooters', and more 'intel', but it's still awesome. I always assumed the black side of SOF was only in the movies and hollywood. That's one of the reasons I've recently been amazed by all the SOF guys who will go on documentaries and such on Natgeo and Discovery without even having their faces blacked out or using a false voice.
 
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bob the brit       3/29/2008 3:22:40 PM

is that you haven't heard of them.

I'm only familiar with them because of some of the "communities" that I used to live in.

As Bob said, the majority of their operations are embedded within what would otherwise appear to be a peace keeping operation.  It was not unusual when I was working with MFO headquarters to get a report of one or two members of the Fijian contingent being AWOL a few days before some major incident involving the demise of some HVT in the area.

 

Bob,

The competitions involve the usual suspects, with results "leaked" through the usual channels.  From your posts I suspect that you are following the Fijian's past and current operational status in the same way that I am.


GOP, the fijians worked in similar ways to JTF2 and the ARW [as far as i'm told, both obviously are after my time in the know], being that they embedded themselves within peacekeeping ops [as old g said].
Old Grunt, i've not been following them much anymore [being left out the loop these days] but i've heard the odd whisper here and there from old chums. my knowledge of the fijians only really lies with Rab' and Ligari's lot [CRW], haven't the foggiest as to whether they're still in the biz or not, but their record, as i'm sure you can attest to, was sterling to say the least. always seems the way with smaller numbers, success is a natural almost every time.
 
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