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Subject: Life in a SOF team
GOP    3/6/2006 1:11:31 AM
What is life really like in a SOF unit? From what I have read, it is hard training during the day, followed by the unit hitting the bars, in which they get drunk and loud...then they usually get agressive and beat up a few Marines (or regular Army)...then they get laid (by a different women every night)...then they restart
 
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mough    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 6:24:31 AM
GOP, I don't know if you were being smart arsed or what, but if you think that is life in a unit....then your wasting your time, and the militaries., in a regular unit, if you get drunk on a work night, then your not going to be up to standard the next Day, if your a tier 1 unit, and you get the call, and you F.uck it up.....your gone that same Day, myself personelly, I don't even bother drinking any more, just slow's you down, and it's empty calories, but then I'm a puritin ;)
 
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longrifle    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 10:22:08 AM
According to Marcinko that was life in SEAL Team 6. Now, just how credible is Marcinko? According to troopers of the 50's that was life in an airborne unit during that era, during which they "never" lost a fight with a "leg" of course (tongue in cheek). Grain of truth, greatly embellished, frowned upon today. Seriously, in today's military you might actually get away with some of that for a short time as a junior enlisted. It will turn into a "career limiting move" soon enough though. That's the drinking and fighting. The sex does happen but the amounts involved are wishful thinking.
 
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GOP    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 10:49:14 AM
I am not worried about the sex. I don't agree with it (I think you should at least be faithful to one girl), but I can understand it. As far as the drinking and fighting, that is just not my way of hanging out or having fun. I could handle going to a bar (hey, you don't have to drink)...but I certainly don't enjoy fighting...mainly because I don't feel that getting punched in the jaw as being 'fun' (there are situations that call for a fight, but I wouldn't do it for fun). I am an agressive/competitive guy, but I am also pretty laid back (if that makes sense)...as well as being a Christian. Is this frowned on? I am kind of worried that I might not fit in with SOF crowd because I am not big into drinking, fighting, or raising heck. Yes, I read that all of this happens in Jarhead and Marcinko's (Rogue Warrior) book.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 10:55:44 AM
>>What is life really like in a SOF unit?<< Hmmmm . . . it's less exciting day to day than you would imagine, but infinitely preferable to being in a conventional unit (at least in my opinion). A lot of the training is as cool as anything you will ever do in the military, but after the first time or two you are exposed to it, the magic starts getting a bit thin and then you do it another two dozen times just to make sure it is muscle-memory instinct that you can do almost literally in your sleep. >>From what I have read, it is hard training during the day, followed by the unit hitting the bars, in which they get drunk and loud...then they usually get agressive and beat up a few Marines (or regular Army)...then they get laid (by a different women every night)...then they restart<< There may have been some reality to that back in the day, but currently DUIs and landing in jail for brawling in a bar (or just showing up to work recurringly telling people "yeah, you should see the other guy") are both solidly in the "career non-enhancer" category. Like Mough alluded to, up at the top of the pyramid that sort of thing will get you tossed out of CAG in a heart beat (CAG having a very strong devout and evangelical Christianity streak running through it, they tend to be less than keen on guys who joined SOF units so they can act like Charlie Sheen's character in Navy SEALs). At the level of the 75th or in SF it may not get you tossed immediately, but a pattern of behavior along those lines will do so, or at least get you bumped to second-line and sucky jobs that no one wants like filling the 18-series slots in battalion and group support companies, etc. Also, units rarely are cohesive enough at home station that they hit bars collectively and such -- at least in SF, where for every guy on a team who is all about pounding beer and chasing tail nightly you have another guy who's got a marriage he's trying to make work and a couple kids at home who only see him six months out of the year, at best. Mileage may vary on that during deployments (at least if deployed to countries where pub crawling is an option).
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 11:21:40 AM
>>I am an agressive/competitive guy, but I am also pretty laid back (if that makes sense)...as well as being a Christian. Is this frowned on? I am kind of worried that I might not fit in with SOF crowd because I am not big into drinking, fighting, or raising heck. << Units will be fighting over you for designated driver duties . . . More seriously, I'd be surprised if you find it to be a problem. One thing Hollywood and books rarely capture is the actual diversity of personalities and interests in SOF units.
 
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longrifle    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/6/2006 11:38:24 AM
This is a little off topic, but if you are looking for an example of someone to pattern your life,career, and leadership skills after you can do a lot better than Marcinko. He was locked up for a while remember. You have to be yourself of course, but many successful people in the military, as well as other walks of life, have studied and adopted certain habits and traits from others and tried to work them into their own personalities. Just based on what I've learned about you from this board I'm thinking the following are probably the type of people that you could learn form, respect, and who would reconcile better with your personality. Suggestions for starters: King David (from the Bible); Richard Winters (Band of Brothers); Thomas Jonathan Jackson (Stonewall); and Evans F. Carlson (Marine Raiders). Looking for somebody specifically from SF/SEALs? Try Dick Meadows, Larry Dring, and Mike Walsh. Remember that when you study people not only do you learn what to do, sometimes you learn what not to do. Above all be yourself.
 
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mough    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/7/2006 1:30:26 AM
just to reinforce what Longrifle and Horsesoldier have said, SOF's are as diverse a group of people has you'll meet,but all have a driving perogative....absolute professionalism, guy's getting blasted on worknight's will not be tolarated, if your on call, then you act like a surgeon, before an op, no alchohol, no BS partying, now, Marchinko, may....no was, one hell of a warrior, but he's a dinosaur now, SEAL's respect what he did, to a degree, but as was said, he was jailed, now if that was a BS reason or not, doesn't matter, he was, he let his ego loose, and it cost him dearly. Anyway, most of the guy's in SOF's are married and try to make that work, but the divorce rate is high, you being a Christian has no part to play, except the strength you'll draw from it, during BUD/S, there are Christian's, Jew's,Atheist's, and yes even the odd Muslim, in every unit, your faith is your own, and is personell, btw Gop, if/when/maybeyou make it to a Team, you won't be bestest frieneds with all the guy's, some in fact you'll dislike, are you sure you are up to spending week's and week's sitting alongside someone, on some crappy hill, that you wouldn't talk to back in the real World?...just a question,
 
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GOP    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/7/2006 11:53:20 AM
>>btw Gop, if/when/maybeyou make it to a Team, you won't be bestest frieneds with all the guy's, some in fact you'll dislike, are you sure you are up to spending week's and week's sitting alongside someone, on some crappy hill, that you wouldn't talk to back in the real World?...just a question,<< To answer your question, yes...if that is what it takes. I don't know if this applies in this situation or to Adult friendships (or whatever), but I make friends with just about everyone I meet, regardless of what kind of person the person is. I just accept them for who they are and treat them with respect (unlike alot of my friends who may make fun of, snub them, whatever)...but, of course, I don't have to work with the people every day of my life.
 
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PARATROOP    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/7/2006 9:08:02 PM
haha, funny..for the most past SOF members live a mostly ordinary life: work ( they usually are off work by 2pm) sleep, eat, sex. Reapeat. Ver few live that 'balls to the walls' formulae u mentioned. Deployments are another matter however.
 
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GOP    RE:Life in a SOF team   3/7/2006 9:15:34 PM
>>haha, funny..for the most past SOF members live a mostly ordinary life: work ( they usually are off work by 2pm) sleep, eat, sex. Reapeat. Ver few live that 'balls to the walls' formulae u mentioned. Deployments are another matter however.<< The "Formula" I mentioned came from reading several books (Well, Anthony Swofford and Dick Marcinko may not be the best sources)
 
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