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Subject: Life in a SOF team
GOP    3/6/2006 1:11:31 AM
What is life really like in a SOF unit? From what I have read, it is hard training during the day, followed by the unit hitting the bars, in which they get drunk and loud...then they usually get agressive and beat up a few Marines (or regular Army)...then they get laid (by a different women every night)...then they restart
 
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GOP       2/26/2007 10:36:13 PM

That was a great post distorted.


Hey GOP, have you read Warrior Soul by Chuck Pfarrer?  Its one of the best books I have ever read, and I do believe it to be a real telling of life in the Teams, training and all, from when he was in SEAL team four, to when he was in SEAL team six/Dev group.  He went through the drinking and all, then in Dev group it calmed down big time.  Talks about life in Dev group, how after he went somewhere in the Civilian world a team went in after he had left and asked questions regarding him, if the people were able to find out if he was a SEAL then he cut.  Its and EXCELENT novel.  You should most definatley read it if you havent yet.

What do you mean?
Yeah, I've read Warrior Soul, it's an excellent read. I believe the talk about DEVGRU selection is the first of it's kind (open source). I also like Never Fight Fair (forget the authors name), basically a bunch of individual stories of SEALs in action, from the UDT days to the Gulf War.
 
So you still planning on going USMC Recon?
 
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colts    GOP   2/27/2007 12:26:46 AM



That was a great post distorted.




Hey GOP, have you read Warrior Soul by Chuck Pfarrer?  Its one of the best books I have ever read, and I do believe it to be a real telling of life in the Teams, training and all, from when he was in SEAL team four, to when he was in SEAL team six/Dev group.  He went through the drinking and all, then in Dev group it calmed down big time.  Talks about life in Dev group, how after he went somewhere in the Civilian world a team went in after he had left and asked questions regarding him, if the people were able to find out if he was a SEAL then he cut.  Its and EXCELENT novel.  You should most definatley read it if you havent yet.



What do you mean?

Yeah, I've read Warrior Soul, it's an excellent read. I believe the talk about DEVGRU selection is the first of it's kind (open source). I also like Never Fight Fair (forget the authors name), basically a bunch of individual stories of SEALs in action, from the UDT days to the Gulf War.

 

So you still planning on going USMC Recon?


GOP,
 What do I mean?  Regards to what?

And as far as the Corps goes my convictions grow stronger everyday.  It grew very hard for me because I just wanted to get on with it for the longest time, my patience had grown thin but talking with badnews and exploring the officer programs, then I just finished reading Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl and that really helped out.  It is such an amazing book.  Right now  I looking forward to leading the basketball team I am on, the experience I get is going to be priceless for me when I serve, then perservering through one more year of junior college basketball.  Its funny, when I finished reading Mans Search for Meaning, it only strengthened and added to my current convictions making life hear so much easier.  BUT I look forward everyday to when I can serve, yesterday, today, and tomorow its all just training me.  The Warrior way.

 

 
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GOP       2/27/2007 9:15:30 AM






That was a great post distorted.






Hey GOP, have you read Warrior Soul by Chuck Pfarrer?  Its one of the best books I have ever read, and I do believe it to be a real telling of life in the Teams, training and all, from when he was in SEAL team four, to when he was in SEAL team six/Dev group.  He went through the drinking and all, then in Dev group it calmed down big time.  Talks about life in Dev group, how after he went somewhere in the Civilian world a team went in after he had left and asked questions regarding him, if the people were able to find out if he was a SEAL then he cut.  Its and EXCELENT novel.  You should most definatley read it if you havent yet.





What do you mean?


Yeah, I've read Warrior Soul, it's an excellent read. I believe the talk about DEVGRU selection is the first of it's kind (open source). I also like Never Fight Fair (forget the authors name), basically a bunch of individual stories of SEALs in action, from the UDT days to the Gulf War.


 


So you still planning on going USMC Recon?



GOP,
 What do I mean?  Regards to what?

And as far as the Corps goes my convictions grow stronger everyday.  It grew very hard for me because I just wanted to get on with it for the longest time, my patience had grown thin but talking with badnews and exploring the officer programs, then I just finished reading Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl and that really helped out.  It is such an amazing book.  Right now  I looking forward to leading the basketball team I am on, the experience I get is going to be priceless for me when I serve, then perservering through one more year of junior college basketball.  Its funny, when I finished reading Mans Search for Meaning, it only strengthened and added to my current convictions making life hear so much easier.  BUT I look forward everyday to when I can serve, yesterday, today, and tomorow its all just training me.  The Warrior way.

 




Oh, sorry I didn't clarify. I was referring to your "a great post distorted" comment, wasn't sure exactly what you meant.
 
Awesome, I've been meaning to order that book for a long time now, along with On Killing. I think I'll do it this week. I highly suggest that you order On Killing too, although I haven't read it, let's face it...if/when we accomplish our goals, we will probably be called on take another life. So I think we should both read that book aswell.
 
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colts    GOP   2/27/2007 11:53:07 AM
GOP your right.  On Killing is a great read, I read it this summer and learned alot.  It really gets you thinking, I have actually thought of majoring in psychology after reading it.
 
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Horsesoldier       2/28/2007 11:46:02 AM

GOP your right.  On Killing is a great read, I read it this summer and learned alot.  It really gets you thinking, I have actually thought of majoring in psychology after reading it.


On Killing is a very good read.  I think Grossman's basic ideas make a lot of sense, though one thing I'd be curious to see is if/how he might adjust his findings if he added post-2001 conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq to his data set.
 
He has another book out (On Combat).  I haven't read it yet, but Amazon shows it having a 5 star rating, and the reviews there I've read are pretty glowing.  It sounds (may be wrong, of course) like it may even be better than On Killing, but I may be reading too much into all the 5-star reviews and such.
 
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GOP       2/28/2007 12:48:40 PM



GOP your right.  On Killing is a great read, I read it this summer and learned alot.  It really gets you thinking, I have actually thought of majoring in psychology after reading it.



On Killing is a very good read.  I think Grossman's basic ideas make a lot of sense, though one thing I'd be curious to see is if/how he might adjust his findings if he added post-2001 conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq to his data set.

 

He has another book out (On Combat).  I haven't read it yet, but Amazon shows it having a 5 star rating, and the reviews there I've read are pretty glowing.  It sounds (may be wrong, of course) like it may even be better than On Killing, but I may be reading too much into all the 5-star reviews and such.


Yeah, I've heard about on combat aswell...I may order that after I read On Killing.
Is Grossman the USMC's "Killology" guy (I believe the "Killology" guy is former CIA SOF who served in 'Nam and Cambodia).
 
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colts       2/28/2007 1:26:11 PM






GOP your right.  On Killing is a great read, I read it this summer and learned alot.  It really gets you thinking, I have actually thought of majoring in psychology after reading it.





On Killing is a very good read.  I think Grossman's basic ideas make a lot of sense, though one thing I'd be curious to see is if/how he might adjust his findings if he added post-2001 conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq to his data set.



 



He has another book out (On Combat).  I haven't read it yet, but Amazon shows it having a 5 star rating, and the reviews there I've read are pretty glowing.  It sounds (may be wrong, of course) like it may even be better than On Killing, but I may be reading too much into all the 5-star reviews and such.




Yeah, I've heard about on combat aswell...I may order that after I read On Killing.

Is Grossman the USMC's "Killology" guy (I believe the "Killology" guy is former CIA SOF who served in 'Nam and Cambodia).


Im not sure about the being the Kilology guy, I thought Grossman was a Lt. Colonel in the Army, but Im not sure.
after I finish "One Bullet Away" I am going to get On Combat, it looks good as well.
 
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GOP       2/28/2007 3:07:08 PM










GOP your right.  On Killing is a great read, I read it this summer and learned alot.  It really gets you thinking, I have actually thought of majoring in psychology after reading it.







On Killing is a very good read.  I think Grossman's basic ideas make a lot of sense, though one thing I'd be curious to see is if/how he might adjust his findings if he added post-2001 conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq to his data set.





 





He has another book out (On Combat).  I haven't read it yet, but Amazon shows it having a 5 star rating, and the reviews there I've read are pretty glowing.  It sounds (may be wrong, of course) like it may even be better than On Killing, but I may be reading too much into all the 5-star reviews and such.






Yeah, I've heard about on combat aswell...I may order that after I read On Killing.


Is Grossman the USMC's "Killology" guy (I believe the "Killology" guy is former CIA SOF who served in 'Nam and Cambodia).



Im not sure about the being the Kilology guy, I thought Grossman was a Lt. Colonel in the Army, but Im not sure.

after I finish "One Bullet Away" I am going to get On Combat, it looks good as well.

Yeah, your probably right. The killology guy is one bad mother, I'd never cross him (even though he's old).
One bullet away was an awesome read, and so was Generation Kill. I love the books that give the human side of war instead of just facts and figures.
 
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Horsesoldier       2/28/2007 3:21:40 PM


Yeah, I've heard about on combat aswell...I may order that after I read On Killing.

Is Grossman the USMC's "Killology" guy (I believe the "Killology" guy is former CIA SOF who served in 'Nam and Cambodia).

Grossman is a retired army officer with a combat arms background, though I think his actual combat background is minimal (don't think he's a Vietnam vet, for instance).  He's also the guy who came up with the idea of "killology" (good idea, silly name, in my opinion).  Unless the USMC has someone who's worked with Grossman and/or copied his ideas on the payroll, etc., Grossman would be the killology guy referenced.

 
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colts       2/28/2007 10:03:54 PM
GOP, 
I love those books too, who is Generation to Kill by?
 
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