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Subject: German Navy captures 9 Pirates, fights off attack on ship
Nasty German Idiot     3/3/2009 10:15:14 AM
Breaking news: German navy soldiers have fought off a pirate attack against a freighter and detained nine pirates. "Substantial evidence" and weapons have been collected, too. Federal prosecutors prepare a court trial. An alternative is to hand these pirates over to an allied nation if German laws don't allow legal proceedings. source: (German) [XXX]ttp://www.bundeswehr.de/ They fired RPGs and Machineguns on a merchant ship and were about to board it when the Frigate Karlsruhe caught them and boarded the ship.
 
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Nasty German Idiot       3/3/2009 11:36:20 AM
News.  (source: Spiegel)
 
The Pirates attacked the German Merchant Ship "MV Courier" with RPGs and Machinegun fire. After the emergency call, the Frigate "Rheinland Pfalz" (50 km distance) started a Helicopter that fired warning shots, the Pirates fled.  A Helicopter that started from the "USS Monteray" that operates in the Region was also part of the action.  Some hours after the attack the German Frigate was able to locate and capture the pirates and seize the Rpgs and Guns.  Thistime, the Pirates were arrested because they directly attacked German property.  (the ones before were handed over to the Somalis) The German Military Police are now questioning the suspects.
 
 
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WarNerd       3/3/2009 12:58:35 PM

Some hours after the attack the German Frigate was able to locate and capture the pirates and seize the Rpgs and Guns. 

The pirates were not captured in the act of piracy.  The shipping firm is unlikely to be willing to keep the ship's captain and crew available for the extended period required for a criminal investigation and court trial, so it is unlikely that the pirates can be successfully charged and convicted.  Expect them to be released in a few days.
 
See also http://www.google.com/hostedne... for another example.
 
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Nichevo       3/3/2009 5:58:16 PM
You'd think that as long as the ship was allowed to proceed, that a replacement crew could be flown out there.  If it ain't worth that much effort, I dunno, hell, let 'em go.  Can't eat 'em, I guess they might as well play catch-and-release.
 
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Nasty German Idiot       3/4/2009 5:01:47 AM
The last time the German Navy captured Pirates, they were handed over to Jemen because they were captured in their waters.  The reason that they could not be put to trial was that they did not attack a German ship.  Thistime it is differend.  However a German Jail and possible asylum afterwards may be more of a reward for these People ... 
 
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WarNerd       3/4/2009 2:47:44 PM

You'd think that as long as the ship was allowed to proceed, that a replacement crew could be flown out there.  If it ain't worth that much effort, I dunno, hell, let 'em go.  Can't eat 'em, I guess they might as well play catch-and-release.

The shipping company would probably have to keep the crew (who are probably mostly not German and do not have German work permits) available as witnesses, first for depositions and then for the actual trial.  They would be sitting around idle in Germany at full pay plus expenses for at least a few months, but more likely for years as the case drags out in the courts.  Add in the cost of a full replacement crew and you are probably looking at over a million euros.
 
The German Navy will probably have to move their senior officers and the boarding party members to onshore positions in Germany for the same reason.
 
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VelocityVector       3/4/2009 4:07:25 PM

With the US criminal justice system, witness testimony and appearances are calendared in advance and flexible.  (We also allow telephonic and video conferencing when appropriate.)  I don't see why sailors would need to remain shoreside for months or years provided the government was willing to fly them in as needed from their nearest ports of call and of course the witnesses and their employers cooperate.  Trial shouldn't occupy more than a few weeks, tops.  Given the number of witnesses and likely volume of evidence collected, the government case should be able to weather quite a few no-shows even if this means evidence gets dropped.  By convicting the pirates, the government would send a message to Somalis that they should choose some other country's ship to attack thus preserving German commerce and saving her taxpayers money in the future.

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Nasty German Idiot       3/5/2009 8:45:11 AM
Today, some pictures of the action were released by the Bundeswehr.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Wicked Chinchilla       3/5/2009 9:18:13 AM
Jesus, those pirates are lucky they dont kill themselves when they use the weapons or for that matter they even function at all.  The level of disrepair is insane.  Even the RPG was rusted and the stock of the stock of the M1 was literally full of holes and falling off. 
 
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VelocityVector       3/5/2009 10:23:10 AM

Good pix.  The pirates probably used up their best rpg rounds trying to stop the ship; the others look like booby traps for keeping the crew in its quarters after boarding.  The AKs appear clean enough to work -- the bolts are free.  I spent a chunk of last summer in Africa (I rode a motorcycle across rural Madagascar) and both the rural police and gemstone mine guards tote around AKs in that condition; since they need to use them, I presume they would fire, though even my boy scout troop maintained its rifles and shotguns better.  Schnykes.

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Nichevo       3/5/2009 6:04:30 PM

Jesus, those pirates are lucky they dont kill themselves when they use the weapons or for that matter they even function at all.  The level of disrepair is insane.  Even the RPG was rusted and the stock of the stock of the M1 was literally full of holes and falling off. 

Form follows function.  The M14 has been maintained (look at the gas regulator) and the bayonet on the AK is shiny.  I wouldn't bet my life on them jamming or backfiring.  Yours maybe but not mine ;>
 
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