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Subject: Walking Away From Islam
SYSOP    9/2/2008 5:27:37 AM
 
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jak267       9/2/2008 7:10:01 PM
There is no future in the Modern World for Islam in its present form. It needs to undergo both a Reformation and Secularization - so that it is merely symbolic as modern Christianity is.
 
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ker       9/3/2008 3:54:24 PM

There is no future in the Modern World for Islam in its present form. It needs to undergo both a Reformation and Secularization - so that it is merely symbolic as modern Christianity is.



I hope you mean "modern Christianity" as a minority of shoot of classical chrianity.  Classical being a less abused term than fundamentalist.
 
A large majority of self identified Christians do not experience their religion as "merely symbolic."  I don't think Mosab Yousef is writing his own death warrant in exchange for a "merely symbolic" faith.  "to live is Christ and to die is gain"
 
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It is one thing to know the official accedemic theology of a religion.  It is another thing to know the folk religion of the people who don't have graduate degrees in religion.  These folk are trained and educated in less formal ways.  They are the majority of believers. 
 
The line between folk Islam and informal Christianity is not a simplistic topic.  The experience's of men and women may be very different.  The basic book for this is "The Next Christendom" if you want to get started looking at it. 
 
I have heard interesting things.
 
Covert Christin cells in Iran that look like what occurred in China.
Net works of immigrants from Arab countrys working to bring their former nations to Christ.
Satellite TV
 
Then think about as the women of Islam get to see the images of the consumerist choice driven society long before they are allowed to participate.  The birth rate goes down.  Ether because they aspire to the fewer children longer life lifestyle or because they begin to feel like slaves who are being held for involuntary breeding and rebel.  The prediction for Muslim birth rates may be high.  That is before the consideration of conversion.  Most Christians think of conversion as one person at a time defection from the former community.  They forget the Celtic example, from above Hadrian's wall, community remained intact and adopted Christin forms one practice at a time. 
 
Sounds about as crazy as Poland shaking off Soviet domination doesn't it. 
 
Mind that bus.
What bus?
Splat.
 
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Jeff_F_F       9/10/2008 3:03:05 PM
For example in the US only 40% of Christians believe in the existence of the Devil. Perhaps "symbolic" isn't the word for it, but it isn't fundamentalist either.
 
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