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Subject: The Brotherhood Of Blood And Badassery
SYSOP    6/1/2015 5:48:02 AM
 
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keffler25       6/1/2015 3:49:52 PM
There is a rotten center in the region. Core it out and the rest of the problem becomes manageable.
 
If you need a lesson for how it is done, look to Europe.   
 
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keffler25       6/1/2015 4:07:08 PM
One follow up. Discussion of political ideology rarely involves pornography and deviancy (which is a REAL behavioral facet of the practicing Muslim hypocrites especially), but you usually find it with any so called hierarchal  clergy dominated structure (Communism, fascism, American liberalism are other examples) , but when you are dealing with this essentially 'political ideology' masquerading as 'a religion' and don't know what you are talking about, you can really embarrass yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
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HR    Hog wash...   6/1/2015 4:40:51 PM
I cannot say enough of how misleading this article appears to be. The Martial Races or traditions concept smells to Nazi propaganda. The truth... proven beyond any discussion here or anywhere is that you can militarize any culture in little less than 20 years. It is a job and normally easier if you have a command economy either socialist or communist but good ol'American war-time "command" economy typical of WW2 will also work.
 
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Spiky    Toryu88   6/1/2015 8:04:36 PM
"Muslims say that Mohammed's life is to be emulated and that all true Muslims should use his life as an example. That is what the terrorists are doing. They are following the teachings in the Quran and Surah. Beheadings are what are prescribed as treatment of Infidels by none other than Mohammed himself. He decapitated at least one unbeliever himself.".......... Exactly.
 
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Spiky    Toryu88   6/1/2015 8:14:16 PM
"So violent Muslims are just doing what their religion calls for. Those so called Moderate Muslims are in reality non-practicing Muslims or Cherry-pickers."......... scary, but true (but this "reality" is pure, highly radioactive truth with no political correctness diluting it).
 
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Spiky    Toryu88   6/1/2015 8:17:02 PM
"American Catholics are renown as being cherry picking Catholics picking and choosing the tenets of their religion that suit them and ignoring others, much to the chagrin of the Vatican who needs or wants the income from the American dioceses more than it wants total compliance with the dogma of the Church.".......... true.
 
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Spiky    why?   6/1/2015 8:30:57 PM
"Why will they fight or why do they fight?" this one is even more important.......... "Thus when U.S. troops enter a foreign country, they not only try to find out, "who will fight," but also, "who can fight."" --If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.-- Sun Tzu
 
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keffler25       6/1/2015 8:32:41 PM
ROTFLMAO.

 
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keffler25       6/1/2015 9:00:45 PM
The Martial Races or traditions concept smells to Nazi propaganda. The truth... proven beyond any discussion here or anywhere is that you can militarize any culture in little less than 20 years. It is a job and normally easier if you have a command economy either socialist or communist but good ol'American war-time "command" economy typical of WW2 will also work.
 
What the troll does not understand and what the British did until they lost their iron in their spines is that CULTURE is not a racial supremacy concept. "It takes 300 years to build a naval tradition."  
 
Culture is a collective set of attitudes and practices that leads to a predictable set of learned and expectable results. the British versus the French... 300 years of the British handing the French the short end of the sheet at sea, because the British had a tradition for doing it right and the French... didn't. .  .      
 
Commodore Perry at Lake Erie. American naval tradition begins with the right practices. A naval culture is born that can actually beat the British and later the superlative students of the British system... Japan.  
 
I would point out that when the American government manufactured weapons and equipment produced under a command economy FAILED in battle in WW II; private enterprise stepped in and competitively supplied the tools.     
I can even name them, jet engines, rockets, aircraft engines, missiles, torpedoes, tanks, fighter aircraft, submarines, merchant ships, escort carriers, helicopters, rifles, mortars, naval mines. Just off the top of the head.
 
AS FOR MARTIAL CULTURE.... The amateur naval reserve and the second string officer corps trained in a hurry and barely able to handle a bowline from a stern line... those were the men and ships off Samar. Not the PROFESSIONAL AMERICAN NAVY led off on a wild goose chase by Halsey. The amateurs had John Paul Jones pounded into them as boots and the second rate officers had Perry pounded into them as officer candidates. Those were the men from whom the professional Japanese IJN turned tail and ran for their lives.      
 
There are martial cultures, or should I say institutional systems that teach the right way to do things.
 
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keffler25       6/1/2015 9:02:22 PM
"We felt like little David without a slingshot." The American ships laid a smoke screen to protect the escort carriers, zigzagging to make enemy aiming difficult. Not waiting for orders, Evans gave the order to go on the offensive. Johnston was lucky that the Japanese missed all attempts to hit her with gunfire, giving her an opportunity to return fire with 200 shells on cruiser Kumano with her small 5-inch guns. When she was closer, she fired 10 torpedoes, then immediately retreated from the engagement. At least one of the torpedoes hit Kumano, blowing off her bow. While in retreat, she was hit by 14-inch shells from battleship Kongo and then 6-inch shells from either a light cruiser or battleship Yamato. The first hit from Kongo left a three-by-six-foot hole in the main deck, penetrating all the way into the iron housing of the port propeller shaft's main reduction gears. The second hit from Kongo went through the deck and slashed critical electrical cables and steam lines before detonating against the main steam turbine of the after engine room. One of the 6-inch shells hit her on the bridge, wounding Evans with shrapnel, shearing off two fingers of his left hand, and then another 6-inch shell disabled her steering and after batteries. She hid in a squall as repair parties worked furiously. At 0750, Sprague ordered the destroyers and destroyer escorts to make a torpedo run. Although Johnston had already used all her torpedoes and one of the engines had been lost, Evans ordered her in anyway as a means to provide fire support and to draw fire from the ships that still had torpedoes. At 0820, she came within 7,000 yards from a Japanese battleship, and the guns fired 30 rounds within a minute, hitting the Japanese battleship several times. Then, she headed toward a heavy cruiser that had been attacking the escort carrier Gambier Bay, attempting to draw fire to save the escort carrier. After exchanging fire with the heavy cruiser, she took on an entire Japanese destroyer squadron that was on a torpedo run; Johnston's persistent attack forced the squadron to fire their torpedoes early, which was a major reason why all these torpedoes went astray. However, this final attack run against an entire destroyer squadron was also Johnston's last. After a shot hit her number one boiler room, steam was cut to the lone remaining engine, leaving her dead in the water. At around 0940, Japanese ships poured shells into Johnston as they sailed in semi-circles around the ship. A hit knocked out the forward gun, and then another hit on the 40mm ready ammunition locker left the already damaged bridge totally untenable. At 0945, Evans gave the order for the crew of Johnston to abandon ship. The destroyer was now a gruesome scene of death. Lieutenant Jesse Cochran, a survivor of Johnston, later recalled seeing "a pile of people - bodies - half alive, half dead" on the deck. At 1010, she rolled over and began to sink by the bow. "We all watched as our home for the past year slowly slid below the surface", recall survivor Bill Mercer. As the ship was sinking, a Japanese destroyer sailed extremely close. As the survivors braced for a raking by machine gun, they were surprised to see that Japanese sailors stood at attention and saluted at the sinking ship. Survivor Clint Carter saw that a "smartly dressed officer... on the wing of the bridge" saluting as well, possibly the captain of the Japanese destroyer.
 
There ARE martial cultures.   
 
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