Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Australia Discussion Board
Sign In   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Australian Power projection and Pacific goals
Herc the merc    1/18/2005 6:31:53 PM
The recent Tsunami raised an interesting question. As the Pacific becomes a power play zone ie with China, India, Japan, Australia, & some southeastern countries like Thailand, Indinesia, Taiwan strutting their stuff like a boat show what is Aussie power projection capability? Specifically can it pull of an operation like Iraq in its neighbourhood (say if Singapore is invaded or South Korea needs help or Taiwan). Should Australia build up such a force as its population rises (I am estimating 50million in 30years excluding Kangaroos- couldn't resist that one hehe) ie Aircraft carriers et al for the pacific, how about Taiwan? (Is Australia pro-China- due to trade and Rupert Murdoch or does it really stand for peace and democracy in the Pacific??
 
Quote    Reply

Email Me When A New Comment Is Made
Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: PREV  1 2 3
fall out    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/24/2005 6:54:04 AM
"Or do people think that the USA will be able to stop Chinese military actions in Asia " - yep. yes there are growing and but it's like trying to ride 2 trains (one communism, one capitalism) but sooner or later the tracks will divide and it's one way or another, and the rapidly developing Chinese middle class and the Wealthy will NOT tolerate any going back, once you've tasted that Ferrari you dont want to let go... ;) plus, apart from the Mid East, most of the US' posturing will be in Asia and hence their assets, at least Atlantic v Pacific will sway heavily into the Pacific's favour. plus, dont forget that the US atm are our 2nd biggest trade mate and apart from Japan, no1 will be ovetaking that when China become Mark Vaile's numero uno... :)
 
Quote    Reply

Rocster-yank    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/24/2005 11:32:45 PM
Hmmm.. finally some level headed thinking from fall out.. IMHO. >>China will be more powerful than the USA in 30 years in my opinion. As such Australia will have to walk fine line between (most likely) competeing Chinese and American interests in Asia. And that most likely, considering the distribution of military and economic power (including trade) in the region Well i dont think the USA is going to stop moving ahead.. no doubt China's growth will be big and it will impact its military strength but once your have built a lead its easier to try to maintain it. unless we keep having traitors sellin us out to China.. <
 
Quote    Reply

fall out    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/25/2005 1:06:48 AM
"Hmmm.. finally some level headed thinking from fall out.. IMHO. >>China will be more powerful than the USA in 30 years in my opinion. As such Australia will have to walk fine line between (most likely) competeing Chinese and American interests in Asia. And that most likely, considering the distribution of military and economic power (including trade) in the region" - i didnt say that, Ghost-General did... "What a sad political stand to give up before the fight ever gets to you.. u remind me of the democrats in the 80's Mr Reagan ur nuts.. give it up.. C'mom your an Aussie arnt ya? ! ? !" - wtf are you talking about?!?!
 
Quote    Reply

Ghost General    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/25/2005 5:29:07 AM
I agree with you Fall Out in that China will most likely be a capitalist (and probably democratic) country in 30 years time and I said as much in my first reply to this topic. If this does happen, what will happen then between the USA, China and Australia. I would say that China will still want Taiwan back. However, I will leave it to other people more knowledgable than myself and in another thread to debate what would happen should that scenario occur. So now it seems to me that is comes down to another question. Out of the two super powers, America and China, who is will be able to exert the most military and economic power in Asia? That seems a topic that would need extreme debate. Anyway, we seem to have gone a bit off topic. I will just say that I think Australia will control South East Asia and do our best to keep it peaceful, however we may be in the middle of a tug of war between China and America.
 
Quote    Reply

fall out    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/25/2005 7:08:25 AM
"I agree with you Fall Out in that China will most likely be a capitalist (and probably democratic) country in 30 years time and I said as much in my first reply to this topic. If this does happen, what will happen then between the USA, China and Australia. I would say that China will still want Taiwan back. However, I will leave it to other people more knowledgable than myself and in another thread to debate what would happen should that scenario occur." - the biggest issue with Taiwan v China is that the nationalists fled to Formosa (what it was called back then) after being defeated by the communists in 1949, now that these nationalists have more or less morphed into a democratic, liberal, capitalist society, IF China were to overthrow their communists rulers and go democratic/capitalist, then i would imagine the issue would nowhere near be as big as a deal as it is now, Taiwan may very well vote to go back into China, or may cede completely away from China, however even this wouldn't anger the 'new' Chinese govt, at least not as much to start a war. "So now it seems to me that is comes down to another question. Out of the two super powers, America and China, who is will be able to exert the most military and economic power in Asia? That seems a topic that would need extreme debate." - By around 2030 (i think this is roughly the year, i cant remember), China is predicted to have a bigger economy than the US, with this they will obviously be concentrating on Asia (and the US), whereas the US use the capital everywhere, so it is very possible China would have more economic power at least in the Asian region, however military wise im betting that the US will remain the biggest boy for quite some time yet, BUT, could you imagine what a nation of 1.3B ppl with the same sort of standard of living as western nations could do?!?!?!? (im talking about way into the future), China and India by the end of this century will more than likely (providing they dont brake up) dwarf the US, economically, possbily military and of course, politcally, even perhaps culturally (many more little Chinas, little India, etc).
 
Quote    Reply

fall out    Bottom Line is...   1/28/2005 2:17:20 AM
that unless any Fed Govt get's their arse into gear and ramp up spending (and numbers) in immigration/fertility rates, economic incentives (for 2morow's future growth), just to name a few, we cant afford to have all these dreams, we can live the dream if we want, but it requires more work and more sacrifice and more risk, politicians only want to preserve their own skin at the best of times so... I think at best is what were getting (for peacetime), 2 mini carriers, and a couple of Tobruks and some fast cats, this'll give us what? brigade sized lift (3000 it is isnt?)? however, if it was up to me id brining in the immigrants by the truckloads (no offence but not from muslim countries, even i would want the poms to be our number one group) and make it fiscally worthwhile and affordable to have more than one child and pump in $$ for ecologically/environmental areas such as water managements/creation, etc, and aim to have our pop around the UK/France come 2050, then we could start dreaming... :)
 
Quote    Reply

Herc the merc    RE:Bottom Line is...   1/28/2005 8:36:37 PM
Actually Asians are projected to be a majority in Australia, which is obvious due to rising populations and economies will make way for immigrants with money- as opposed to boat people type phenomena's.
 
Quote    Reply

DropBear    RE:Bottom Line is...we are stuffed   1/28/2005 11:27:18 PM
"and pump in $$ for ecologically/environmental areas such as water managements/creation, etc, and aim to have our pop around the UK/France come 2050, then we could start dreaming... : " Where do you propose we put all these people?? Build an Alice Springs - Las Vegas city in the desert from scratch?? Environment and water management...Hah!! Sydney has about 80-90 weeks of stored water. You want to double the national population of Oz?? NUTBAG CITY, my friend. "Fallout quod vitae sectabor iter". - Fallout is on another journey in the land of dreams.
 
Quote    Reply

fall out    RE:Bottom Line is...we are stuffed   1/29/2005 8:03:27 AM
it is only a dream if you fail to wakeup and live it mate! :)
 
Quote    Reply

fall out    RE:Bottom Line is...   1/29/2005 8:06:47 AM
not sure where you got that mate, but for example, last years immigration intake had more whites than Asian, it is not as a big as a problem as you think
 
Quote    Reply
PREV  1 2 3



StrategyWorld.com© 1998 - 2012StrategyWorld.com. All rights Reserved. StrategyWorld.com, StrategyPage.com, FYEO, For Your Eyes Only and Al Nofi's CIC are all trademarks of StrategyWorld.com Privacy Policy